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Removing Track from Sequencer Should automatically be removed from Mixer.
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hugewill
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Hey Presonus
Whenever I remove a track or Instrument from main sequencer, it still appears on the mixer list. In Cubase 5 a track or instrument is removed from both Sequencer and mixer.
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You're right. It works for audio tracks, but not for midi tracks.
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He's half right. Cubase's "instrument" tracks are self-contained, they have the midi data and the actual instrument on one track/channel. Cubase's midi tracks are not self-contained, they can point to any instrument in a rack.

Studio One's "Instrument" tracks are like the latter above, Cubase's midi tracks. You delete the arrange track but the instrument itself remains in the rack and in the mixer, in both. It works the same way in the opposite direction. Deleting an instrrment being used by a midi (or S1 'instrument') track doesn't delete the arrange track, only the instrument from the rack and from the mixer.

That name "Instrument track" seems to cause a lot of confusion with, and invalid comparisons to, Cubase's "Instrument Tracks". They're not the same at all.

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It's just the way it is in the real world:

Compare an Instrument Track with a sheet of music. You play the notes of that sheet with an instrument, your favorite piano for instance that you inherited from your beloved grandma.
When you're going to trash the sheet you wouldn't trash your valuable piano, too, would you?
No, the piano remains intact regardless of how many sheets of music that were played on the piano you'll destroy.

However, an Audio Track is like a tape with recordings. When you trash the tape the recordings on that tape are gone as well.
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i was also bothered by it until i realized how the system fully works.. think about it, besides the great examples given above, you have the choice to choose which instrument is assigned to which channel, so in effect, when adding an instrument, youre adding it to the entire project instead of just that one track.. its more "universal", and you have the choice to reroute the instrument to any and all tracks that you wish by clicking it on the tracks drop down menu. but i agree, it is a little frustrating until you come to realize this
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I rather like the way it is, now. It was a nice discovery when I found out I could switch around what instrument was playing what part so quickly.

I imagine it's also quite useful if you're using a multitimbral instrument with several MIDI tracks feeding it, but then decide you don't need one. Keeping the instrument is mighty useful in that case
I don't 'produce.' I write music.
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I think a Remove unused Instruments command for the Console would be handy (or is it possible anyhow right now?).
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I agree. This should be observed and improved.
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MarkyGoldstein wrote:I agree. This should be observed and improved.


I concur. A "Delete all Unused" from the rack would be good. I'd also like to see some kind of indication in the mixer of instrument channels that have nothing assigned to them. Something like below where the red color tells me that Impact 4 has no midi assigned to it.

In that case I can delete it manually without looking at the rack panel to determine what can be deleted.

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AudioCave wrote:I'd also like to see some kind of indication in the mixer of instrument channels that have nothing assigned to them. Something like below where the red color tells me that Impact 4 has no midi assigned to it.


Nice idea!
By now instruments that don't have tracks are already marked in the instrument list of the Console:



But that additional indication for instruments that have only empty tracks would be very handy. Then we could get rid of these instruments by using two subsequent commands Remove unused Tracks and Remove unused Instruments for instance.
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"Removing Track from Sequencer Should automatically be removed from Mixer."

With a modifier key. Yes, i`d love to see that. But before that, i`d finally like to have a warning, if there´s events on the track to be deleted, as these might be out of view when deleting the track.

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the analogy with the sheet of music and the piano is a good one.
but I think the sheet it the midi part and the track is the piano player.
So why would we need a piano without a player?

or the other way round:
Why would you want to keep the instrument when you delete the last track assigned to it?
Never happens for me
and I really think its intuitive - analog to the create track with instrument action

my 2 cents
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I understand your point but otoh, there are also instruments that can contribute to the song that don't have need any arrange tracks with midi data at all. See FL Studio running it's own internal sequences or BFD running it's own internal pattern sequences or any vsti that locks to the sequencer tempo and triggers something.

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It´s not only that. I could have done a patch in that particular synth which is not saved yet. I don´t want the synth to be deleted without any question and the patch destroyed just because i deleted the track it was used in. Also i might would want to re-use the synth and that patch at a later time.

And again, i cannot emphasize how urgent and important this is:
I want to be warned, if i delete a track where there´s items on it. I might need them but not see them due to zooming issues. I´d like to be asked if i would like to abort the deletion, if there´s content on the track that i don´t see. This is very important.

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Hey Nick,

Good point. I didn't go there because instruments deleted from the rack go to the trash so they're not really gone until you close the song. So even if you mistakenly delete an instrument from the rack under that scenario it will still be there in the trash to restore with all settings and routing.

The S1 trash is very cool and (imo) has great potential for things beyond what it does now. When you delete an instrument from Cubase's rack it's gone... completely. Here, you have a completely random "undo".

To your very valid point though... I wouldn't want that to happen - an instrument being deleted from the rack - unless I specifically asked for it so maybe optionally have two right click commands... "Remove Selected Tracks" and "Remove Selected Tracks + Instruments"?

Dunno.

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