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Studio 360?

Yes.

It is a term I use to cover the use of DAW Software and Hardware from the same dev...in this case PreSonus. This is a blog covering PreSonus general discussions and chat regarding the PreSonus universe, opinions, thoughts, feature reviews , feedback, a few tips along the way, (there is a dedicated thread for Studio One Tips), some FR's and some totally unrelated stuff from time to time Do check out the Studio One FAQ thread as well as the Studio One User video thread.

About 80% or so of this blog will be Predominantly Studio One software focused but also Studio One hardware (and anything else they choose to release in future) will also get discussed. I think the term "360" should just about cover that. I would not consider myself as someone with a hardware background but the last blog I started (as "The Maximum") covered aspects of Studio One software and Presonus hardware so I think I will reflect that in the thread title this time for the start. What Can I say? It's going to be the usual main course cut to the chase stuff but there will be plenty of desert on offer as well to sweeten things up

Your comments and posts are very welcome.

Buckle up...

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Hey M@x, er, db. Thanks for putting all the effort in yet again. I'll contribute what I can.
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So db what are you up to?

I am currently updating the Studio One Secrets (quick tips) thread and the Studio One Answers FAQ thread. Both will need updating from time to time on the new forum here which would be impossible now with the older archived forum.

It might take me a few days or a week or so to get everything fully up to date but I am working on it.

Please do check out the User videos as well. Really top draw stuff in there a fantastic way to get up to speed with Studio One.

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Motoko wrote:Hey M@x, er, db. Thanks for putting all the effort in yet again. I'll contribute what I can.


Cheers Motoko...thanks for all your efforts past and present as well!
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"PreSonus could have literally stuffed Studio One"



One would think adding as many features as possible into Studio One 1.0 would be the best possible thing for PreSonus to do. I mean look at the competition they are up against. The giants of the DAW world. More features means more customers right? Yes and well definitely no.

Without key features any DAW will stagnate. Buyers want to know their 3 figure sum will be invested in something better than what they have or why bother? But in some cases the promise on offer is so good it is actually worth the investment even with less features in some areas. Studio One for me definitely falls into that category.

I have no doubt at all that PreSonus could have literally stuffed Studio One pretty much with every FR ever made for it and released it to us all by now. But...yes you guessed it, a buggy release would also have been guaranteed along with many unhappy users who would rightfully wonder why they bothered buying S1 in the first place...

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" the slow lane is the new fast lane"

But IMO Presonus very early took a different approach with 1.0 up to 1.5.2 (at the time of this post) IMO the slow lane is the new fast lane. Slow and steady development. This means a very high level of polish, stability and reliability can be maintained consistently. Believe me this is GOLD to a DAW user who does not have time to waste. Everything you click on works. No screen flicker and a very cohesive consistent design is there for all to see.




Slick super tight DAW development, the way it should be.

DAW development has been one of the most interesting things to observe over the years. It's almost as if some DAW devs have simply worked out that most customers are quite happy to have the latest and greatest features with a large dose of problems to go with it. I really think the number of DAW users who are happy with that kind of offering is dwindling. I think a slack approach to DAW development these days can be very costly indeed. PreSonus appear to have got the balance between FR implementation and Bug fixing just right.

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Hi db

Hope you don't mind a different perspective..

This different approach adopted by PreSonus would certainly have been of great benefit to the beginner, and also to the intermediate user who perhaps had limited experience with a different DAW.

I was always going to find it difficult to record my music simply because of the lack of knowledge and basic grasp of the technology I had.
Apart from the instability issues that could have become apparent If PreSonus had decided to add all the features from the start, it would also have made it a more daunting prospect for the beginner to use. How many times would I and others have for the opportunity to start with a 1.0 DAW, and one that was so user friendly, and as a bonus looked so great! It was a learners opportunity not to be missed. Just coming at it from the beginners angle here db.

Obviously I am right in saying that S1 will evolve, but hopefully will do so with workflow its number one priority, but maintaining and also improving its usability. With all the feature requests posted I do hope this is the case, as in order for S1 to compete it will no doubt have to implement a good number of them.

Kind regards


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Hi Ade

Yeah for me that is the key thing that PreSonus keep the excellent Workflow as the driver for new features. Everything should revolve around and maintain the super slick workflow we currently have on offer with Studio One. I get the feeling they (PreSonus) want that every bit as much as we do and if previous Studio One releases are anything to go by they will likely enhance the workflow even further. Bi directional browsing in 1.5 and the superb Transform tool are just two of many examples that illustrate how PreSonus were able to add features that really enhanced an already slick workflow even more.

So I am very hopeful for future releases.
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db wrote:Hi Ade

Yeah for me that is the key thing that PreSonus keep the excellent Workflow as the driver for new features. Everything should revolve around and maintain the super slick workflow we currently have on offer with Studio One. I get the feeling they (PreSonus) want that every bit as much as we do and if previous Studio One releases are anything to go by they will likely enhance the workflow even further. Bi directional browsing in 1.5 and the superb Transform tool are just two of many examples that illustrate how PreSonus were able to add features that really enhanced an already slick workflow even more.

So I am very hopeful for future releases.



I agree that the workflow is important and one of the best things about S1
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Yep...whatever was discussed at the Studio One production meetings before its release Workflow was clearly consistently a key focus area. Likely the main priority all along.

Next...

The Studio One [k?nekt?(r)]

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My last post was deliberately cryptic so here it is the...

Studio One Connector



I have wanted to do something like this for ages but could never find the time. Even now I can just about have a go at it.

Synopsis
Why should I choose Studio One instead of Host A, B, C e.t.c So many host choices, features, forum views, user experiences, opinions, price points blah blah... is there any way to break this all down into an easier to digest and understand process?

Well the Studio One Connector should hopefully make that choice easier for you while also giving the Studio One team some food for thought for the future, with some suggestions along the way. The full screen image of the Studio One Connector in it's present state fully mapped out is huge so I will focus on certain parts of it that will be expanded over time. Frankly it could have sprawled into all sorts of directions, so as big as the Connector is, it could be much bigger still. So many aspects to cover. It might even evolve over the course of this blog. The small plus sign next to the topics hide a large number of sub topics that will be discussed. All based on my opinion but please feel free to post your views (even if they differ) as well. I suspect the "Asteroid belt" will stir more than a few thoughts and opinions. Yikes! More on that later.

The posts will not be exhaustive (not enough hours in the day sorry) but will discuss some areas that new and potential users (maybe existing users as well to a degree) may be interested in. The info is based on my workflow and needs as I cannot possibly cover everyone's workflow.

Posts maybe in quick succession and then it might get very quiet for a bit. Rest assured the Connector project will be completed (at least in it's present state as there could be no end to it)

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Initial impressions

I will move into the first part of the Studio One Connector but first some comments on my own initial discovery of S1...

I think the very first time I heard anything about it was as a result of a KVR thread or a Sonic State Article. It looked really impressive judging by the screen shots and I was terribly curious about the capabilities of this new DAW. It's a desperately competitive market out there but this new challenger had something I had not seen since in any 1.0 release...

1. Huge Plug-in collection
I could not believe how many plug-ins S1 had to offer right from the start. Delays, Compressors e.t.c Very impressive. This trail also led me to the rest of the PreSonus Universe...

2. Hardware
While I was aware of the brand name (to some degree) I really did not know just how many hardware offerings PreSonus had. I started to wonder if PreSonus out of nowhere (seemingly), were now a new major player in the DAW market from day one with Studio One. Seems impossible to pull off but I had never seen such a strong DAW offering from the start from any dev previously. I suddenly had plenty of research and analysis to do. Would this journey really be different enough from my previous experiences with other DAW's?

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SUPPORT - Part 1

The first part of the Studio One connector

IMO it does not matter if a DAW dev offers the moon on a stick with 300 new features to follow that a month or two afterwards and additional content that includes the remaining planets in the Solar system. I want to know how well your product is supported...*now*. Not how well it will be supported but how well you currently support it. Simple as that. All DAW's have features but without a good (very good even) level of support all the features in the world will not matter IMO. No DAW is perfect...so that means at some point I will need some kind of support. So I need to know how good that support level is *before* I pay for the product. So how do you check or analyse that...? Glad you asked?

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SUPPORT - Part 2

As you can see from the image above in the previous post the Studio One Connector is huge. Even if I posted the full map (not likely just yet) it would not be practical for a forum image. There is so much going on you would not see the text anyway so I have to break it down into smaller parts.

Forum
a. Easily my first destination. It can be one of the most revealing aspects of any product. I would definitely not base a decision for a product on the first page of a product forum. It could be a not so good day or few hours in the life of the product so browse in such a way as to cover a few days at least.

b. Search the forum using terms that matter to you. Definitely search the forum for things you want to see in the product or things you are not sure about. The manner of the replies you read (or the lack of them) could be telling. Especially if many other similar posts are ignored. As an example I remember having a good look through some of the old PreSonus Studio One forum pages before I bought Studio One almost a year ago. I still to this day remember seeing this name all over the forum posts..."Jonathan Hillman" He was just all over the place. Answering questions, giving suggestions you name it. I thought if this is how this product is supported it has a great future.

When I clicked into threads I found other PreSonus names as well. At times up to 2 or more PreSonus staff would post in response to a query. Really impressive stuff. PreSonus really score highly here. Almost a year on from the release of Studio One there is less of a need for that level of a PreSonus presence on the forums as there are now many users giving their time to offer suggestions where they can instead. Still though you will see different members of PreSonus posting in threads regularly.

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SUPPORT - Part 3

c. User participation. On the forums here it's really great. The number of user videos and the quality of them is a very good example of this. Always nice to see. But that is just one example of the level of user participation on the forums here and how it really helps potential users decide if S1 is the best choice for them. Of course existing customers also get a huge amount out of user participation on the forums as well. There is a Studio One Tips and Tricks thread and a Studio One Answers (FAQ) to help potential, new and longer term existing customers get the most out of Studio One.

Also the PreSonus Devs are no doubt very interested in user FR's for instance which will help shape feature versions. PreSonus definitely listen and are very passionate about user ideas and suggestions based on what I have seen so far in previous S1 releases.

Some comments on this forum (as at the time of this post).

I really like the new look. As with any new forum there are going to be things that need to be ironed out. So I am sure PreSonus are on the case as usual. I like the look and feel and think a single account for the forum and product registration is a good idea. Some decisions can be difficult going forward but sometimes there is just no choice. I loved the content of the older vbulletin forum (and this new one as well) but I think the older forum was last updated in 2006 and really needed a change as it was definitely showing it's age. I am much happier with this new JForum base. You can find out more about the software used for this forum here.

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