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cmebane
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I am considering a return to sound engineering/recording (hobby this time) after 25 years. While I have dabbled a bit since the pro days, I have learned a great deal of the new technology recently. I have narrowed my choices for a console to the Yammie 01V and the 24.4.2. The LS9 looks nice but more than I wish to spend. I am leaning towards the StudioLive for several reasons including the Fat Channel, recording support, and price. A little background.

o 6 years full time touring FOH
o had the absolute best of everything (except console) in the 80s (including one of the very first Lex 200s in the US)
o close musician friend who has a DAW and has a good hobby studio
o very tecnhical and computer literate (principal software developer for #1 company to work for in US)
o band from 80s is planning a series of live shows (4-6 a year)
o I want a live console for a few shows, ability to work the DAW studio with my friend, record all the live shows
o biggest concern (to buy or not) is getting enough usage to justify the expense

Based on this the 24.4.2 seems to fit the bill. I have been through all the literature, ProSoundWeb board bashing, Presonus videos, and 1/2 of the manual (I am recouperating from minor surgery so I have a lot of time this week (-:

So now some questions (more to follow). Thanks for any and all help.

1. Does this console seem like the right fit? Live shows will be limited but much more opportunity to work with DAW.
2. what is a good case (Gator has a molded case recommended by dealer)
3. What is the best laptop to interface for VSL and recording? Looking at MacBooks but pricey. Do they work better then Dells? I have seen issues with the chipsets so I'd prefer to start out with the proper gear since I don't have a laptop now.
4. I have an iPhone and S6D app and AudioInterface. Probably get an iPad soon so the MacBook integration is attractive. Can this be done on a Windows7 box as well?
5. How good is the digital reverb? I am spoiled by Lexicon and am considering an outboard. Any recommendations?
6. Can the internal fx returns be routed to a fader or are they only controlled in the fx sections.
7. Any other gotchas, recommendations, etc?

TIA
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cmebane wrote:

So now some questions (more to follow). Thanks for any and all help.

1. Does this console seem like the right fit? Live shows will be limited but much more opportunity to work with DAW.
2. what is a good case (Gator has a molded case recommended by dealer)
3. What is the best laptop to interface for VSL and recording? Looking at MacBooks but pricey. Do they work better then Dells? I have seen issues with the chipsets so I'd prefer to start out with the proper gear since I don't have a laptop now.
4. I have an iPhone and S6D app and AudioInterface. Probably get an iPad soon so the MacBook integration is attractive. Can this be done on a Windows7 box as well?
5. How good is the digital reverb? I am spoiled by Lexicon and am considering an outboard. Any recommendations?
6. Can the internal fx returns be routed to a fader or are they only controlled in the fx sections.
7. Any other gotchas, recommendations, etc?

TIA
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Lemme take a crack at this. I am not an expert but I have experience and enough smarts to help where I can.

Is the console a good fit? For what you have planned I would say probably yes. It has the channels you need. Enough returns to get the job done, a really old school new school feel that you can easily wrap your head around. The pre's are pretty clean for built in on a live board--she's no Midas or SSL but there's that money thing again with those. The Capture software is seamless simple and as no-nonsense as I've seen. And Studio 1 is awesome as well. Nice if you want to do some extra stuff while you're mixing like add some chorus effect to a guitar or backup vocals without any outboard gear (just make sure you've got one serious computer, though).

Recommendation for a case--no real answer but if you're gonna be doing real distance touring I would look into custom from Calzone or Anvil or the like. Better options than prebuilds and could last a century even after.

Computer (I personally don't recommend a laptop unless you are almost continuously mobile)--Get a Mac, and this is from a Windows guy. Less headaches getting things running out of the box. If you're lloking for prebuilt Windows then check with Rain or ADK or the like. Talk to them and make getting it to work right their problem so its good to go out of the box. And yes VSL works just fine on a Win 7 box.

I can't talk to the reverb other than there are a ton of options and built in presets. Don't think it's any better or worse sounding than the Lex...just different. Admittedly I don't have a ton of experience with the Lex.

If the 24 works like my 16 the FX can be routed to the sub buss but I'm not sure about anywhere else as I haven't had a need to try.

Final recommendation would be to say that, yes, the SL is a really good fit for many live applications. My concern wold be what to do with it after the 4-6 events you're looking at. Will it wind up resparking your interest in live work? Will it live out its days being called a console in a studio? Will be something in a box you find 10 years later and reminisce about? Will be put in the back on the discount rack like another can of beans? Basically can you justify the cost for something you may not use again? Would it maybe be a better option to find a large scale rental company and just rent it or something more powerful from them for the times you will be using it?

I've been known to be wrong on many occasions and might be here but these are my thoughts.
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Thanks for the reply. The real focus of the buy decision has come down to usage. After tons of research I have chosen the SL over the Yammies with the LS9 just too much money for my usage. The key point is my best bud (also a bandmate) who has a DAW studio and has done original songs for many years. He is anxious to work together so that would the the other use for the SL in between the live dates. With only the live shows or the DAW work, I would likely not get back in but that combination is very tempting, Plus we will record all live shows so I will work on those for several weeks as well.

I pretty much decided on the MB Pro 15 after comparing side by side to the similar Dell. Google searches on the PC firewire chipsets turned up all sorts of horror stories related to several audio and video products. Argh!!!

I am opting for the 7200 drive based on recommendations here. Still on the fence about SMAART unless I can find a backlevel version at a great price. I already have a pro RTA and an iPhone FFT app with external mic. Still researching outboard fx but will likely have a Lex since I loved them in the 80s. Probably add a 4 space light rack in the event I need additional gear.

Everyone here has been a GREAT help. Not sure I would consinder this without some real world feedback. Isn't it fun to help others spend money?

Oh, and the SSL mention...we were doing studio work in Atlanta for Star Search back in 83. During the work, they got their first SSL. Wow. Watching graphics on the crt of the controls was too cool. Of course a 1K unit does it these days but it was revolutionary back in 83. Nice damn console!

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