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Carpenter
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A few days ago I started a thread about there being any way to layer multiple vsti's from different venders into an instrument chain of sorts, where the group of instruments and all their respective settings could be saved off as one single new sound preset.

In Studio One, if I want to layer a pad from Kontakt with say...strings from SampleTank etc, I currently need to create separate tracks and channels and copy and past the same midi clip on each track. If I want to use the same combination of instruments in another project, I need to remember everything, or go back and forth, referencing the other project and build the whole thing up all over again manually. This just seems very primitive.

People kindly suggested various workarounds, such as Bidule and something by DDMF. I didn't find any of these very appealing in actual use though. I was looking for something simple, and elegant, where you can just stack vsti's inside of a sort of host shell that treats them all like one new multitimbral instrument.

Someone said that Ableton had this feature built in. I hadn't worked with Ableton in years, so...I downloaded the Live 8 demo and tried out their "Instrument Rack" feature!

It's a marvel, and EXACTLY what I've been looking for! It allows you to set up this Reason-esque paradigm right within Live, with any AU/VST instruments and FX you want, treated as one single instrument preset. Works just like Reasons Combinator, except it's open to everything, not just Ableton instruments and fx.

This seems like such an obviously helpful feature, why haven't all DAWs had this feature for years? I really hope Presonus sees fit to introduce something like this!

Now I'm even more excited to see Bitwig Studio drop, because it seems like it's going to have all the good stuff about Live, but more polished and user friendly!

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This is a great idea and I give it a .
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I doubt it will be implemented but would be nice. I've been enjoying these features from Ableton for years and have just been dealing with it since mostly leaving them. But I really find them useful though.
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Can't wait to demo Bitwig
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Aww man... Same here
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Carpenter wrote:A few days ago I started a thread about there being any way to layer multiple vsti's from different venders into an instrument chain of sorts, where the group of instruments and all their respective settings could be saved off as one single new sound preset.

In Studio One, if I want to layer a pad from Kontakt with say...strings from SampleTank etc, I currently need to create separate tracks and channels and copy and past the same midi clip on each track. If I want to use the same combination of instruments in another project, I need to remember everything, or go back and forth, referencing the other project and build the whole thing up all over again manually. This just seems very primitive.

People kindly suggested various workarounds, such as Bidule and something by DDMF. I didn't find any of these very appealing in actual use though. I was looking for something simple, and elegant, where you can just stack vsti's inside of a sort of host shell that treats them all like one new multitimbral instrument.

Someone said that Ableton had this feature built in. I hadn't worked with Ableton in years, so...I downloaded the Live 8 demo and tried out their "Instrument Rack" feature!

It's a marvel, and EXACTLY what I've been looking for! It allows you to set up this Reason-esque paradigm right within Live, with any AU/VST instruments and FX you want, treated as one single instrument preset. Works just like Reasons Combinator, except it's open to everything, not just Ableton instruments and fx.

This seems like such an obviously helpful feature, why haven't all DAWs had this feature for years? I really hope Presonus sees fit to introduce something like this!

Now I'm even more excited to see Bitwig Studio drop, because it seems like it's going to have all the good stuff about Live, but more polished and user friendly!


This is nothing new. Buy Chainer and you'll have what you want today. I used it quite a lot, myself, and quite frankly wish to have it again. It is very useful.

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/261

Chainer is a multi-effect and multi-instrument rack for musicians and sound designers. It's a VST host that runs as a standalone application, VST effect and VST instrument.

Chainer allows you to stream the ASIO or VST input signal through up to 10 chains of VST effects so you can use your PC as a realtime multi-effect processor.

In addition Chainer enables you to play several VST instruments at the same time. You can layer several instruments to create complex sounds or you may play instruments on different MIDI channels: Chainer turns your PC into a multi-timbral sound generator.
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Toth wrote:This is a great idea and I give it a .


Here it is again ... a good idea right here and now. Forte is 64 bit. http://www.kvraudio.com/product/forte-by-brainspawn




Forte is a live performance workstation for virtual instruments, offering more control and convenience than a traditional rack of hardware sound modules. forte is optimized for the stage, with low latency audio, vast MIDI routing capabilities, and unique live performance features.
Features:
Low Latency Multiple Instrument Hosting: Play up to 32 virtual instruments live with mixing and routing to multiple audio outputs.
Intuitive User Interface: If you've seen a rack of hardware sound modules, forte will look familiar to you.
Performance Automation: Recall virtual instruments settings and MIDI routing instantly with remote controlled "Scenes".
Advanced MIDI Routing and Filtering:
Flexible MIDI routing and filtering. Map any MIDI channel to one or more other channels, with each 'map' containing unique filtering and CC routing settings.
MIDI control of audio effect plugins.
MIDI Clock tempo synchronization.
MIDI output from plugins is available as a virtual MIDI input to other plugins.
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I do like chainer, though, because it is simple and powerful, but.... not 64 bit.

It is possible to load up to 100 VST plugins per instance of Chainer, but since you can load Chainer in itself there is no actual limit.

The parameters of Chainer and also parameters of the loaded VST plugins can be controlled through MIDI CC messages or VST automation.

A bonus feature of Chainer is the ability to create multi-samples from your VST instruments in WAV and SF2 format for instant use in samplers.
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but these are only on Windows....just fyi
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Carpenter wrote:This seems like such an obviously helpful feature, why haven't all DAWs had this feature for years?


It's been done. It's called Kore and was discontinued by NI last year.

Kore 2 =
NI's decision =

However, you can still pick it up around the place if you're prepared to accept it has no warranty and no future and will probably last until VST3 replaces VST2.
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Completely off topic, but great avatar pic Carpenter haha
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Toth wrote:Can't wait to demo Bitwig


BINGO!
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I think meta plugin does what you want AND is cross platform AND is $29. Note that you can load in synths also.

Metaplugin is a plugin that loads other plugins. As simple as that. Build your own effect networks using any VST (and AU, if you're on Mac) effect you already have on your harddisk. To get you started, a Mid-Side matrix and a fourband crossover filter are included in the package. This means instant mid-side or multiband compression/distortion/reverb/... you name it. Metaplugin supports up to six individual channels for, e.g. surround or other multichannel purposes. The dry/wet ratio can be adjusted for each loaded plugin. Full plugin delay compensation is included. No additional CPU overhead is added. Synths can also be loaded and played with any MIDI control. An option for 2x-oversampling of the whole signal chain is available. Honestly, we can't think of any reason not to own this baby! Available in Windows VST (32/64 bit) and Mac Universal Audio (VST and AU) format. As always, we strongly recommend to check out the demo version (settings not saved, but further fully functional) to see whether it fits your needs!


http://www.ddmf.eu/product.php?id=3

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illumin wrote:but these are only on Windows....just fyi



Ugh...I'm on Mac of course. Surprising how many brick walls I'm running into on this! From what I've read, Bitwig will have Ableton like instrument rack abilities, but I think it's going to be a nesting system that's just part of how the system works. I think instruments and fx will be treated the same and you'll be able to layer whatever you want and save it all as one single preset.

The downside? I found Bitwig on a merchants site for sale and it amounts to around $500.00 US.

http://www.dv247.com/computer-music-software/bitwig-studio-music-production-and-performance-software--93544

I'm not sure if the market, in THIS economy will support that, for a product from a brand new company?

Then again, the demo might blow people away.
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nk_e wrote:I think meta plugin does what you want AND is cross platform AND is $29. Note that you can load in synths also.

Metaplugin is a plugin that loads other plugins. As simple as that. Build your own effect networks using any VST (and AU, if you're on Mac) effect you already have on your harddisk. To get you started, a Mid-Side matrix and a fourband crossover filter are included in the package. This means instant mid-side or multiband compression/distortion/reverb/... you name it. Metaplugin supports up to six individual channels for, e.g. surround or other multichannel purposes. The dry/wet ratio can be adjusted for each loaded plugin. Full plugin delay compensation is included. No additional CPU overhead is added. Synths can also be loaded and played with any MIDI control. An option for 2x-oversampling of the whole signal chain is available. Honestly, we can't think of any reason not to own this baby! Available in Windows VST (32/64 bit) and Mac Universal Audio (VST and AU) format. As always, we strongly recommend to check out the demo version (settings not saved, but further fully functional) to see whether it fits your needs!


http://www.ddmf.eu/product.php?id=3

Great company too.




Yeah. I downloaded Metaplugin and Bidule. Perhaps it's my Aspergers, but the site of these modular, looking down at a circuit board, spider web looking things just blows my mind. I don't know what to make of them. I finally got plugins loaded into Metaplugin, but...I have no idea what to do with it after I have the little green plugin square floating around in that black space. It just doesn't make any sense to me. How do I know what lines to connect to what? I've tried randomly connecting things and I got no results close to what I'm looking for. That "Chainer" plugin has the type of interface that makes sense to me, but...I'm on Mac. My experience with Bidule was even less productive. It shows up in Studio One, both under instruments and effects. However, when I try to drag it to load it on a track, nothing happens. Nothing opens up. No window appears. Nothing. Nothing at all. It refuses to even show itself. And why does Metaplugin show up as an effect? Shouldn't it be an instrument. All I want is a shell! Like if Kontakt accepted any plugins!
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