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I know this topic has been discussed to death. Even our beloved Johnny said he fell from grace because of it, but i just complain about it because i love this DAW. Love it. And being the most intuitive DAW in the world right now S1 won't stay long without proper controller solution. Because the worst and most complicated DAW with a good controller may be still more intuitive than Studio One. Workflow is everything.
And look at the DAW market right, people going crazy, almost every month a new DAW is born. Heck, reaper costs you peanuts and has full controller support.
The competition is hard, so when presonus wants to stay, they have to step up and put Controller on their number 1 priority, not any other gimmicks like presonus exchange. Its nice but who will use it.

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ooohhh2 wrote:I know this topic has been discussed to death.

you're damn right...

ooohhh2 wrote:
The competition is hard, so when presonus wants to stay, they have to step up and put Controller on their number 1 priority,

so you're asking Presonus presonus to adjust their priority to be matching yours otherwise the'll lose the competition? let me doubt that...this sounds actually ridiculous to me

ooohhh2 wrote:not any other gimmicks like presonus exchange. Its nice but who will use it.

Cheers

I do and I really like it. this will probably make my bandmates switch over to S1 from Ableton Live for collaboration reaasons.

get a magic Tackpad for your Mac and a Faderport. That's all you need.

just my 2ct.
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kingsx wrote:
ooohhh2 wrote:I know this topic has been discussed to death.

you're damn right...

ooohhh2 wrote:
The competition is hard, so when presonus wants to stay, they have to step up and put Controller on their number 1 priority,

so you're asking Presonus presonus to adjust their priority to be matching yours otherwise the'll lose the competition? let me doubt that...this sounds actually ridiculous to me

ooohhh2 wrote:not any other gimmicks like presonus exchange. Its nice but who will use it.

Cheers

I do and I really like it. this will probably make my bandmates switch over to S1 from Ableton Live for collaboration reaasons.

get a magic Tackpad for your Mac and a Faderport. That's all you need.

just my 2ct.


No disrespect but I understand where the OP is coming from. This is a Great DAW, Presonus and the Germany team, job well done. But at the end of the day as much as I love the new updates like Exchange. I think right now is the time to bring forth controller support. With DAWS like Bitwig popping up every day and Pro Tools copying everybody in sight. Presonus needs to add basic features to attract potential customers. Some people say Studio One can become the DAW of the future, but in order to draw Pros away from their favorite DAWs, they will need basic features found on other DAWs. Alot of those guys have dedicated control surfaces and need controller support. I don't want to beef about this, I love Presonus, they are a great bunch of guys. But the truth is the program as great as it is, is still missing some basic features.
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I don't want PreSonus to bring out there own controller,I want them to Support the existing ones that are already available.
Personally I'd prefer a manufacturer who doesn't make a daw to bring out a control surface and audio interface rolled into one as ones that are specifically designed for one daw are great until the user maybe moves to a different platform then they are stuck with gear of limited use.
NAMM didn't see any audio interface with a control surface being announced. In fact its been a long time since anyone has. I think ipad and iPhone support is where these manufacturers are investing resources into.

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Listen, i didn't want to bug or bore anyone with my post. I might be quite drastic with my words, saying presonus exchange is a gimmick. I may correct myself, it's not a gimmick, i love it too and will use it, -as soon as my friends use Studio One too.
And that's the point. I can't really recommend it 100% knowing there are still some major issues where S1 lacks, like controller support, or stability especially with Melodyne and 32 bit version.
At the end of the day you don't want to be a fanboy.

Neither i want presonus to follow my priorities. I just don't understand presonus fully. Studio One has become their cornerstone in the last years, it connects all products they have. And it has sooo much potential under the hood. They have recognize it, and be more aggressive and faster.
I understand if they want to be careful and make clever decisions. But they also have to put their customer's wishes on top. And they want controller support thats what i read everywhere. I'm telling nothing new.
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no problem. so we have just different views on things.
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Pretty obvious Presonus isn't going the controller route anytime soon.

Despite what their customers desire, such as a tangible piece of hardware to control their daw or controller support which is clearly being ignored on the software side too..

IOS stuff trumps true software controller support,or hardware support..
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Controller support is on the prio list and it's up there very high (as was confirmed by Jonathan).

I'm pretty sure there's a whole roadmap of where Studio One is going to develop into over the next couple of years. And I'm also pretty sure that increased controller support is up there. But if you are working of stuff in parallel with one being more complex then the other, I'd hate it if they put everything on hold until the complex thing had been solved.

I'm aware of the need of a lot of users to have native support for their controllers (most of them will work at the moment by the way using Control Link). Especially those that want mixer and transport control. But I wouldn't want PreSonus to stop everything until they have that nailed. I don't know how many people are working on the controller support, but it's very likely it's not the same person as the one working on exchange. Which might have been ready and scheduled to deploy a long time.

I'd say PreSonus might be listening more to their customers, then their customers listen to them.

Controller support is top priority. A PreSonus controller might not happen soon, hardware development demands a lot more investment then software development and it might not yet be a very solid business case for PreSonus to develop a DAW controller. Even if a couple of hundred people on the forum claim they'll buy one when released.

Just my 0,02 cts. If you want to work with Studio One, work with Studio One (there's not much it can't do, although it might not do everything the 'best' way). If controller support is holding you back, then don't use it (yet).
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Ok, thanks for the info, mate. Like i said being bit late for the topic myself, i might have missed that statement from Jonathan. Good to hear that, and sorry for expressing a wrong perception.
I am very happy about current condition of S1 for myself, as i said i am not a pro, so Faderport will serve me right for the moment. Maybe it's just this new love i have in presonus which makes me want to see them grow a little bit faster. I hope you guys understand.
Their leaps with v2 and studiolives have been huge, congrats for them, let's hope they will make it in the future too.
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I'm glad to hear that it higher on their priority list. I own a Faderport and it is very helpful for the basic transport stuff and limited automation of core track features. Better support of Euphonix and Mackie (just to name two) seems like the right way to get other "pro" users to not just try S1, but probably also buy S1. Maybe not necessarilty as their primary DAW but at least always there.

I'd really take a long look at the Euphonix stuff if I knew that it was truly supported in S1 directly.

I'd still love to seem them consider a touchscreen software controller. Let's face it. With Win 8 around the corner, all of the main OSes (Microsoft, Apple, and Google) will be focusing on touch, so why not be the front runner? The thing I like about that is that it is software, so it doesn't have to be everything to everyone in the first version (or two).

Ok, enough of my ramblings!

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I don't get some of these threads. It's one thing for a guy using Nuendo and a control surface he already owns to ask, it's another for people to assume the role of company planners and imply that if a company doesn't do what they want they'll not be successful.

So (if I read this correctly) the OP says he's not pro. he's just speaking for pros.

Like Motoko said, if a thing doesn't fit your current needs it doesn't fit your current needs. Asking for features is normal but these implications that we know what's best for the company are just silly, unless a person giving that opinion has actually ran an international software company.

It's all a bit odd.

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When my rant annoyed you, i'm sorry.
I didn't want to sound like i'm smarter then the presonus guys either. It's actually not in my nature to bitch around like i did, something has got into me.
So, really sorry for that.

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No need to apologize.

Sorry if I came off like a jerk, I just think it's possible to make an FR without getting involved in all of the other stuff. It wasnt about you really, just the idea that so many software owners think they know how to run a business You see it in every mfg forum.

The way I see it, it's a marathon not a sprint, so we'll have to wait for some things.

Anyway... good request.
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Why not simply extend the Control-Link function? Would be nice if every signal coming from any controller could be mapped to whatever you want, even to key commands or key shortcuts. And a little place somwhere in the menus or preferences or in the Control-Link places to save the map instead of the device surfaces. Even as presets, default or named, so if you do various jobs and need knobs, faders, buttons and pads you could simply use another preset.

Today I played a little bit with Reaper to see how they do it. It is possible, my controller keyboard (Axiom pro) sends some information with every knob, fader, button, pad and this information is in Studio One limited to what someone defined in the surface file. No loop - no banks... and some functions that I will never use.

I wonder why we have the small control link windows twice, one above left and one on top of the Vsts/plugins. Could be the one on top for global mapping and the second for local mapping, but here both show the same information. Seems to be so easy, as Control Link already exists, that I wonder why it is not offered in a more open way.
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bobbybland wrote:Pretty obvious Presonus isn't going the controller route anytime soon.

Despite what their customers desire, such as a tangible piece of hardware to control their daw or controller support which is clearly being ignored on the software side too..

IOS stuff trumps true software controller support,or hardware support..


I think what's holding it back is S1 is not mature enough. If they release a controller now, It may very well be obsolete come V3 with newly implemented features not featured on the controller.
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