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The whole thing wih monitors is understanding how what you hear realates to the real world. If your studio monitors are bassy, for example, you'll mix toward the higher end frequencies, which on the average speakers of your listeners will have little bass. If your monitors lack bass, you'll compensate, and the average listener will get a booming sound. Your room is huge in this evaluation.

That's the deal. You need a trusted set of speakers that you know well. I'm using a pair of Aufio Media Research monitors, made by Peavey, many moons ago. Are they great example of a flat response, not so much. BUT... I know them like the back of my hand - so when the bass is a little shy, I know that it's probably just the AMR's, and I adjust accordingly. My home studio has undergone some changes over the years - bass and low mid absorbers added, some treble rolloff due to repositioning of my cloud, even some change due to added insulation when I had to reroute some plumbing. All required a new learning curve.

All that said, I've worked with Mackies in many other studios, and thery're a great common denominator to begin with!
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Nobody mentioned Dynaudios? Not the cheapest set you can buy, but like it says on the box "If it's there, you'll hear it".

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thanks... im going to research more...
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hi guys,

im a bit of a budget right now so back again in deciding for an affordable monitor.

can anybody give me an idea for these 2 monitors. or maybe a suggestion on a $400-500 range pair of monitors?

JBL LSR2325P and KRK RoKit 5 G2 45W.

thanks,

kibo
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Go to sleep Kibo...it's almost 0200!!!

Just out of curiousity have you anyplace near you to A/B these two?

Your ears will tell you what you need to know better than any of us could. I still use Sony 7506 cans. I like having my own little world. Plus it allows the baby to sleep while I work. Like I'm doing right now.
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hi mono,

iim still doing a video project that is due tomorrow. hehehe its 3:31 AM here in toronto and im sleeping at 6AM for the past days.

anyway, i dont know why is it like this here in toronto. is it just me not looking hard enough but its not easy to see this stuff in Music Stores here in toronto. the Big Music Stores here isnt like Guitar center that you could find lots of stuff. i dont know why. ive been in Virginia once and went to guitar center and i felt like a kid going into a store full of toys. hehehe..

you cant find it here. at least in the city that i live. hard to do A/B stuff with these products that we are always talking about in the forum. QSC K12s i had to buy based on what i read. Presonus SL1642 same thing. JBLPRX, havent seen one! the guitar stuff are a lot! KRK i havent seen in the big stores. i order my stuff in a broadcasting dealer where they have no showroom. but you can order for a good price compared to retail stores. thats why i have to ask and learn thru the internet.

anyway, you guys are lucky!

kibo

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You aren't that far into the Great White North. How about just jump the border into NY and have a look at the stores down here. You can demo here and then order from your catalog the one's you like best.

I'm pretty sure there's a GC in Niagara or close to it.

I would personally lean towards the JBL myself. I had a look at it's response and it's a little flatter than the KRK. It'll give you a better idea of what you're hearing and how DAW adjustments affect the recording.

I make it a point to never use just one source when recording. I use ugly setups too. Like the factory speakers in my truck. And then more middle of the road being the Bose system in the wife's cadillac. And on occasion I will run things through my FOH system to hear how they'll sound at full power. Oh the mistakes I've found.
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hi mono,

i will try that sometime. maybe i just trust you guys here that much! hehehe.

anyway, im looking at that monitor now together with the MSC1 Controller thing. i dont know if you saw that already.

now im mixing my project with a headphone! i sold my behringer since i open this thread but wasnt able to buy another one havent been busy at sound at church. now that i have things to do i figured i really need one soon. i got derailed with video.

do you think the msc1 is a good tuning thing for monitors. maybe i can use it for tuning FOH speakers. hahaha. same concept, right? i dont know. but would be nice for home studio stuff.

tell me what you think! you know i listen to you! LOL!

kibo

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Neat little gadget. I've never used one before or even heard of it until now. I don't know how i would do with a large hi-powered FOH setup. I can't imagine that it would be ideal based on the vast difference between the two spaces. If you decide to grab one give it a shot at an FOH system and see how it does. Couldn't hurt.

I'd have to do a lot more research to be able to give a truly qualified opinion on it. A nice advantage of it is that it's designed to work with the JBL monitors so it will probably have a flat output setting for them which will save you part of your trouble getting set up. After that it's just a matter of using it to adjust the flat response to the room so that the monitors will be truly flat to your ears as well.

Just remember that monitors are not a one shot setup deal. Anything you change in the room will affect how you percieve the sound from those monitors. Even changing the temperature will change the way the output is presented to your ears. This device, if it does what JBL says it can do, will dramatically speed the process of adjusting for those changes.
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hi mono,

hoping to buy a set of monitors soon... let me know what you find out too. the controller works with any monitors by the way...

heres a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8fY6xR0Dsc

thanks,

kibo

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guys -

i am the recording dept manager at Guitar Center in Buffalo (closest to toronto.). we get a TON of canadian customers becuase the prices tend to be better than canadian competition (even after including tax + duty).

we have a dozen pairs of studio monitors setup on a switcher where we can A/B any of them. also 2 macs set up with ALL software loaded up. bring in a cd and you can hear them all yourself.

things to consider in the sub-$200 per speaker range: KRK rp5/6 , Tannoy 501a (my fav), Mackie MR5, m-audio bx5a.

kibo, if you ever really want to do it i'll do my best to save you a few bucks too, since you're another SL user. catch ya then, maybe

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hi dave,

thanks a lot. i will definitely look for you! PM you when i do.

so you say for you, KRK's and the tanoy 501a is better than the JBL LSR?

I was thinking of KRKs too but its just so common. hehehe. like to be alittle different. i see a lot of DJ's using it.

tell me what you think?

kibo
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A nice advantage for you in this case Kibo is that the KRK are a little less expensive and you still have the advantage of their ERGO system which does effectively the same as the JBL piece you mentioned.
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No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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LSR is nice. i also forgot about the yamaha HS50m (my previous favorite), also under $200 each.

i dont know as much about the ERGO except the basic idea of it. is there any reason you couldnt hook up any other studio monitors to that? i mean, what do krk monitors have that any other doesnt?
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hi dave,

im more inclined to get LSR but still waiting for advice from you guys.

im planning to get the msc1 too.

thanks,


kibo
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