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Vocalpoint wrote:
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matthewgorman wrote:I suffer in silence with my OCD.
I do often wonder why anyone doing all their own recording has to trim their tracks afterward, as opposed to just recording everything in a good range to start with.


I would never have the patience to sit there and fix everything AFTER recording - especially trimming levels. That would totally trash my creation vibe.

With everything gain staged - all the time - there is literally no way to screw up a level here - I simply record, do a quick check and move on to the next track.

Nice thing about staging and keeping it consistent is that come mix-down - the track practically mixes itself with all faders at unity.

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When I record the tracks I can control the level and put it where I want it for sure. I work with some folks whose theory is put up a mic, make sure its not clipping, and press record. In those cases I do level everything out prior to starting a mix. It does help me to stay consistent in my mixes, and it ABSOLUTELY appeases the OCD gods that I pray to.
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I love gain staging. I'm not the foremost expert on mixing but something like satson channel where it catches stuff that is too hot can be handy. And increase if needed. It's a PITA to put one of those on every channel (man I'd love to have like reaper where you can add multiple instances)

Also, that's what I like about a lot of waves eq's (like h eq for example) is that it can get the really hot stuff leveled off and then the fader can be used appropriately.
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LMike wrote:I do often wonder why anyone doing all their own recording has to trim their tracks afterward, as opposed to just recording everything in a good range to start with.


I set all my input trims so I get an input level about halfway up the meter on the 16.4.2 at the beginning of the night. Inevitably, the people I play with NEVER stay at a constant level throughout the night. So depending on which song(s) I pick to mix, the actual signal for each track can be DRASTICALLY different. Especially if they're using different channels on a guitar pedal for each song/part.

Just my experience with recording my own band live, which is most of the mixing I do. My one professor called this part of the process "setting up the plumbing" and that always stuck with me. It helps me get my mind in the right place for mixing...
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Vocalpoint wrote:
jpettit wrote:http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/25568.page

This is one of the purposes of this diagram.
Every where there is a (V) icon is a possible gain stage.
I am guessing there are over two dozen places.

One could obsess over each possible junction point in that diagram -

I agree
Although all those are gain points and thus areas that could cause clipping.I would only use it to debug clipping coming from somewhere.

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mwright137 wrote:I set all my input trims so I get an input level about halfway up the meter on the 16.4.2 at the beginning of the night. Inevitably, the people I play with NEVER stay at a constant level throughout the night. So depending on which song(s) I pick to mix, the actual signal for each track can be DRASTICALLY different. Especially if they're using different channels on a guitar pedal for each song/part.


No doubt.

I was talking about the more tightly controlled environment of the studio where analog 0 on a VU meter outboard kinda puts you right where you need to be by default.

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CPhoenix wrote:
Where is trim control on each track. Have I been missing something?



Guess I'm thinking of cubase or any other DAW I've used.


You'd have to go with a plugin then or the bounce.

I've been using the normalize function for my bounced tracks, sounds fine to me.

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Here's a "Gain Stage" macro for you guys that always do that...

Edit | Select All
Audio | Normalize Audio
Audio | Edit Volume Level("-10") Relative("1")
Edit | Deselect All

The -10 peak level will put most RMS levels in a good range (-18/-15) but feel free to change it to -6 or whatever.

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I peak between -10 and -12 when tracking.
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That's slick! How do you change it? I made a normalize macro but all I see is a -3 option not -10.


LMike wrote:Here's a "Gain Stage" macro for you guys that always do that...

Edit | Select All
Audio | Normalize Audio
Audio | Edit Volume Level("-10") Relative("1")
Edit | Deselect All

The -10 peak level will put most RMS levels in a good range (-18/-15) but feel free to change it to -6 or whatever.

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A great way to gain stage is to use the K System. Choose a reference eg -14 or -20 and arrange a VU meter to show 0 dB VU when the reference level is reached. Calibrate your system.

Studio One also has the VU metering. Insert the Meter Plugin over the input channels and put it into K System mode. Use the peak metering in conjunction with it. I like the normal VU look such as the Klanghelm meter.

Most signals respond very well to the VU meter response. Adjust input levels and hence track record levels and buss and master levels to be just hitting 0 dB with whatever signal is being monitored.

Drums and very fast transient instruments can easily be kept in check with the peak metering. It should be the only time you really need to keep an eye on the peak levels in the system.

Otherwise monitor and keep at the same level your rms levels everywhere. Don't worry about your peak levels so much. Keeping them even tells nothing of the varying rms levels underneath. They are much more important to keep constant. Peaks will be looked after with the built in headroom of the K system itself. You can keep check with the VU meter levels going in and out of plugins and plugin chains. As long as you are careful you will never clip plugins either.

Learn to understand what the ballistics of the needle is telling you while you are measuring rms levels. There is much to be gained in that information.

It is all way easier and better in the longer term.



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Vahevahe wrote:How do you change it? I made a normalize macro but all I see is a -3 option not -10.


Use the "Edit Volume" action I listed there. It has arguments.
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everyone is talking about gainstaging in post production. but surely if you record properly you wont need to. or you could make a buss that controls the output of say the whole drum kit and bring that down.

also another trick i like to do is use something like a waves comp. and then drive it really hard to get saturation while bussing it to another bus to turn it down or slam a limiter on it. you get the satruated harmonic content and the low levels . i feel that people who use gain stagin are scared of saturation which is the best part of audio.
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I think it is important to think that well designed gain staging includes everything from recording on. The more you do it at the start the less you need to do it later.

Yes it is good for creating a very clean and pure sound if you need it. I am not afraid of saturation and like it a lot too. The trick is to use the correct gain staging on the saturation before and after it in order to maintain it everywhere.

It is smarter to have correct gain staging and use the clean sound of the system in most parts but controlled amounts of saturation in other areas being well gain staged too. I tend to be careful as to how many things get the saturation treatment. It is easy to overuse it and distort too much of your mix. It does not have to be ultra clean for fully saturated either, the mix that is. Think of it moving between the two.

The problem with multi track tape in the old days was everything got the tape saturation and softening treatment but now we can control exactly how much of mix will get that type of effect and what will stay clean, pure, transparent and sound as if it is going direct to the main stereo mix without anything effecting it before it gets there. That is cool and I am really pleased we can do it that way.
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