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mikejantram
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yep those are his parts. it starts with my mix first. then a,b,a,b... yep, lots of mids, no low end, and tons of 'verb. wht the hell?? at least ive had a few beers today to numb the pain of a good project gone bad. cheers!
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It almost sounds like he just loaded up an EDM preset on Ozone.


Can I kill a conversation or what?

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Finally had a chance to listen, and I listened with the same chain that I mix with. FWIW I do not produce much in this genre, but I have heard enough of it. For the life of me, I can't hear any reason why you would need to have any stems to be able to master this. I think you did a good job putting everything in its own space, nothing seems to be competing against anything else, low end sounds pretty tight. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Now what I haven't seen mentioned. I am gathering from this and the other thread, is that this project is for an artist on a label, and either the artist or the label is insisting on this particular ME, and that you and your studio were hired for production/engineering? Is it possible that the ME is trying to position himself to at a minimum get a shared production credit on the project?

Regardless of any of the above possibilities, the bottom line is that his work sounds like crap. I don't know how anyone in their right mind would prefer that mastering over what the original mix sounded like. I could probably jack up the mix the same or worse than the ME, and I wouldn't need stems to do it. And I really can't hear where anything that was done in mastering would require the need for stems.

I would be just as pissed as you. Good luck to you in getting this sorted out.
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thanks matthew.. i hadnt thought if him trying to get credit... i actually just heard the final product yesterday and its just what i thought it would be. SUPER smashed, MEGA compressed and ULTRA limited. and not well either. you can actually hear the mix pumping. needless to say, as long as the band likes it, i just dont fuckin care anymore. i know exactly who i wont send work to in the future. thanks for taking the time to listen, it was a serious shock to the system having to send extra stuff, and its nice to know that my work wasnt the issue. I seriously hope nobody else has their hard work undermined by a "holier than thou, top of the audio food-chain" mastering engineer. JUST SAY NO TO SHITTY MASTERS!!!
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JUST SAY NO TO SHITTY MASTERS!!!


Amen brother!!

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A friend sent me a song his band recorded in a "professional" studio. I thought it was awful. So did he. He's pretty upset. I was contemplating posting it but it's not mine so that would be wrong.

The mix/master guy is obviously a guitar player, as that's all you hear the entire song, even to the point of drowning out the lead vocals. And the drums? What drums? They're buried so far under the bass and guitars you're luck to hear them at all.

So guess what my friend does in the band. Yup - drums and lead vocals...
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i sure dont blame him for being pissed off. that sucks that the engineer wasnt mixing from an unbiased, objective point of view. thats a serious mistake in my opinion. (maybe playing a ton of instruments myself keeps me in check haha)
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