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LMike wrote:Why would you be taking a chance instead of just waitingt and testing the demo on your system?

I don't understand why anyone who has had repeated stability issues with any software would not demo it first... the next time... and the time after that... and the time after that.







I have an answer for that. GAS. Do you remember the webinar done by the two former (I guess now roland) employees? I was hooked! And sonar has a tendency to come out pretty late after the release with demos.

So who's to blame? ME! Anyways, I do agree with the OP that that is the first thing I thought of is "oh, now it's like S1" I know, I know, it has a ton of cool stuff S1 doesn't......just kidding around.
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Bub wrote:
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Bub wrote:What will be the determining factor for me as to whether I upgrade to X3 or not, will be if I can use the bundled VST's in Studio One. If I can't, I won't upgrade because I can't take a $149 chance that it will run reliably on my system.


We are asking the same question in two different posts.

Here a plan. You buy it and tel me it they are tethered to Sonar..

Just kidding...

I got a message in to XLin to find out.



I emailed someone I used to chat with at Cakewalk directly and asked, but I haven't gotten a response yet.

It seems there's mixed reviews on it so far on their forum. Crash reports, weird behavior, a nasty argument erupted about colors already. It's so sad, that place is like a ticking time bomb. Oh well, they locked me out months ago, so they can't blame it on me this time.

I watched all the Sonar releases up to 8.0, and then I was there for 8.5 through X2's release, and this is by far the least active I've seen their forum for a major release like this. It's got me kind of worried for them.

And another thing I'm seeing for the first time ... some of the Producer owners are downgrading and using 3rd party VST's because of the cost of the Producer upgrade.

I want them to be successful because the winner in the great DAW wars is the customer if you catch my drift.


Yep it raises the bar.
I started using Cakewalk TwelveTone in 1987.
Stop after X1. Bought X2 hoping to get a good set of VSTs for S1 but for not.
I never cared for the hostile forum and stop watching a few years ago.
Let me know what you find out.




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hibidy wrote:
LMike wrote:Why would you be taking a chance instead of just waitingt and testing the demo on your system?

I don't understand why anyone who has had repeated stability issues with any software would not demo it first... the next time... and the time after that... and the time after that.


I have an answer for that. GAS. Do you remember the webinar done by the two former (I guess now roland) employees? I was hooked!


Oh God, I forgot all about those webinars and youtube teasers. There was stuff they were using that flat out did not work, on any system (not just mine), when it was released.
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This will be the first time I will not be upgrading @ Cake's Sonar, which was my very first DAW.

I jumped in @ Sonar 6 Studio & out @ X2a Producer.

I've moved on!

But I do hope for the sake of the Buds over there that this will be the stable version that they've long waited for!
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Concerning the third party content included they try to raise the bar.
Doesn't look bad. The comping feature (where the range of one chosen part is automatically taken from the other takes) to compare, is actually quite cool.
The electric piano is messed with stereo effects - how does it sound without?

Still - nothing really better than what we have.
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MarkusHassold wrote:Still - nothing really better than what we have.
I'm not sure what the definition of "we" in this case, but I'm happy for you.
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hibidy wrote:I have an answer for that. GAS.


Yeah, I know. The question was rhetorical.

I see it happen a lot (no, not talking about you Bub), and it's particularly curious with Sonar because (according to many Sonar users, not from my personal experience) they just keep doing it. I read where people "have been using Sonar since vX" and "it's always been an unstable mess" (their words, not mine), but yet... as soon as the marketing hits they buy it again in the blind ... and complain again... instead of just waiting for a demo to test.

Also saw it with Cubase 7, people pre-ordering it based on the marketing, then shouting in the forum about things that's wrong with it and "going back to using 6.5 until they fix this mess".

I don't get it. I assume it's that some just have to have the new shiny thing first... dunno.

Having said all that, Sonar X3 looks great to me. Not sure why every time a new product comes out people always need to say "I'm not switching..." as if the company actually asked them to.

But anyway I don't buy or upgrade any software that's "relatively expensive" without testing it first. I'm as big a software "GASSER" as the next guy, but my gassing is typically somewhat informed and tested. Probably why I don't own any software that's been "consistently buggy and poorly coded" for the last 7-8 years... because if it is I don't buy it.

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X3 working fine here.
For info: the Nomad Blue Tube plugins get scanned by S1 and you can even drag them into a track, but then a pop up appears:



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SkylineUK wrote:X3 working fine here.
For info: the Nomad Blue Tube plugins get scanned by S1 and you can even drag them into a track, but then a pop up appears:


How about Addictive Drums? I'm not interested, though.
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No but someone might be. In line with accepted forum etiquette someone posed a question above which I could answer so I did.
I can't answer re. Addictive Drums because I already had them so I can't tell whether those bundled with X3 work elsewhere or not.

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SkylineUK wrote:No but someone might be. In line with accepted forum etiquette someone posed a question above which I could answer so I did.
I can't answer re. Addictive Drums because I already had them so I can't tell whether those bundled with X3 work elsewhere or not.



I'd be a little surprised if it did, but it might. AD costs (by itself) as much or more than than the Sonar upgrade doesn't it? That might be a little unusual (but really good for users) if it was not license restricted to Sonar.

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Oh well, at least we won't be seeing a glut of "we need this featurefrom Sonar X3" as we've already got them
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The GAS got me. Not gonna use it for anything more than dabbling and getting a closer view of the new features and workflow.

Being a longtime former user of SONAR prior to the X Series I decided to grab the X3 base version. Not sure if my "Any Registered product" upgrade pricing went through as the Store is Dead (Server Down) and I cannot download my files.

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Addictive Drums & Strummer work outside of Sonar..
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SkylineUK wrote:No but someone might be. In line with accepted forum etiquette someone posed a question above which I could answer so I did.
Oh, I meant I'm not interested in Addictive Drums. I already own Abbey Road 70s/Modern Drummer, Studio Drummer, SSD4 EX, EZDrummer, BFD Eco, and I'll be getting Session Drummer 3 if I upgrade to X3, so, too many drums lol. Sorry about the vague post.
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