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with Matt! Nice job but now I want it now.

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jpettit wrote:Should be fixed now.
Sorry for my feeble attempt at a light-hearted post.
Was waiting for a 2 hour video render to finish....



Hi Jeff,

Even if your post was meant to be "light-hearted", the concept you put forth with it is outstanding!

I sincerely hope the Devs see what you put together and seriously consider an implementation/integration that is similar.....I just don't think it could get any better than that!

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Sometimes the power of suggestion can be useful. To get into this topic a bit more and make it useful, let me start.

I must confess as a self taught guitarist and keyboard hacker I do not sight read notation. I can read it but not in real-time..
My motivation for such an integration comes from classically trained keyboard players that come to record.
When they are done with a take the realize there is a mistake but when I show them the piano roll they says what the heck is that?
Where are the notes?

I either explain to them the concept of a piano roll and quantizing and the fact that they did not play exactly on the beat but with feel, then they adapt. Or I start over with the track and record it in Sonar that has basic notion view.

1) So the first requirement is just to help fix notes with a classically trained musician.
The demo would work great for that.

Just as a side note: I have learn from coming into notation from the back door ( IE DAWs) that notation is just an approximation of the performance or put the other way around it is the theoretical perfect quantized suggested performance. This means it has to heavily quantize the data to make it look readable. It also means that the performer has to be playing to the click track exactly. (Now you can see why I care so much about beat mapping as that allows you to line the computer up with the performer as opposed to the performer having to follow a strict boring lifeless tick track).

The second motivation for integration comes as a songwriting I often want other formally trained musicians to play a song I wrote.
This mean they want to see a score.At a minimum what is called a lead sheet, that has the chords and the melody in notation for them to follow on their instrument. Usually just the lead melody line is good enough for them or perhaps an alternate part for their instrument.

2) The second requirement is for a basic one staff print out. This means S1 would need basic page layout and printer support.
The third requirement for notation from an S1 point of view would be to convert entire Song track by track information so that a larger orchestra could perform it. That and the fact that notation layout is a fine science. to get the notation complex notation to look good on a page is a ton of work. This is where dedicated programs such as Notion or Sibelius or Finale come in. To make that bridge requires a Music XML protocol that covers many of the aspects of making notation look right on the page.

3) So the third requirement would be the ability to drag a MIDI .. oops sorry "Instrument track" out of S1 as (the industry standard) Music XML

This was the true purpose of showing the wishful thinking demo
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My somewhat wild imagination has it all being in arrange.

You'd select 10 midi tracks and they'd all populate with the score view for that midi track, per track, in arrange, and you could edit it all right in arrange and print the parts / tracks / lead sheets independently per track, with Notion being the engine.

The scoring view would be just another set of switchable track layers. Of course, you'd still need the editor view to visualize the full vertical layout before printing or whatever.

Then I awake and it's not there anymore, and Halle Berry has dressed and gone home.

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Now I'm thinking that Presonus would have done better investing that money towards improving S1 instead of buying Notion. I mean anyone who has already got Notion 4 can use it with S1 via rewire anyway without Presonus acquiring it, so what's the point, unless it will be tightly integrated in S1. Will it, what do you think?
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whitePhazer wrote:so what's the point, unless it will be tightly integrated in S1. Will it, what do you think?

ummm that was the point of the post.
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jpettit wrote:
whitePhazer wrote:so what's the point, unless it will be tightly integrated in S1. Will it, what do you think?

ummm that was the point of the post.


I think this is why Sonar hasn't bothered touching notation. I'm guessing they are going to implement a 3rd party ARA program, or perhaps write their own.
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Seems like it would be a minor change to Notion to accept a .mid file drop ( as in import.mid).
It is currently a 4 step process to get MIDI out of S1 into .Notion.

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What convinced me to just buy Notion 4.0 is your first video - which at quick glance I actually thought was the current integration level. I was not amused when I didn't see the treble clef icon after my install. Anyway, I have hope it will be integrated as tightly as melodyne on an update/next version. You covered it well in any case.
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I actually think that they can go further than what is shown here.
How about analyse with melodyne then analyse with notion.
Or real time writing of a score as you play your midi keyboard
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sonicAH wrote:What convinced me to just buy Notion 4.0 is your first video - which at quick glance I actually thought was the current integration level. I was not amused when I didn't see the treble clef icon after my install. Anyway, I have hope it will be integrated as tightly as melodyne on an update/next version. You covered it well in any case.


Yikes
It was meant as a preview of wishful thinking. of what it might look like someday in order to start some creative conversations not as a marketing tool.. Thus the smiley faces in the title.
The video above from Presonus is PURE marketing. Everything that is said there is true but not without a lot of configuration and clicks.

Sorry if I miss-lead you.


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