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Julia B
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skip jones wrote:I'm a Scorpio.

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OK, just cause I'm not so smart ,I
Looked up contralto. I call that sultry. Lauren Bacall
comes to mind. Smokes and all.

Back to condenser mics, Blue has come out with some new entries at a pricepoint that's chokeable. I'm thinking might be my next test drive.

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Didn't you say you have access to the NT-1000?
That's one of the next mics on my shopping list. Why aren't you using that?
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You tube was sending me hits from the Presonus forum and I found this thread. Thanks guys. The MXL 990 is a great mic for the little money it costs. Can it handle a cranked tube amp? Well not a lot of condensers are meant to be stuffed in front of a cranked marshall at close range. Out in the room at some distance its fine, but at close range I'd use a dynamic mic.

Here is a new video we posted. The drums have 3 MXL 990s overhead, left right and center. The rest of the drum set is mic'ed and ran down the center. So any 'steroe-ness' you hear from the drums is from the left and right overhead. I didn't have the close drum mic levels set so quite a lot of the sound is from the overheads. INcidentilly there was a lot of bleed through too, so they were picking up a lot of room sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08MCwui_gkE

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Hey Julia,

I'd see how many mics you can test before getting one. I just bought myself a Shure SM7 for voiceover stuff that I do, but that was only after a test -- before I actually heard it on me it wasn't even really on my short list as a candidate. Incidentally, that might be one that you'd like to consider, if you are just looking for in-studio use. Not a condenser, but sounds like one. Less sibilant than an awful lot of condensers, too.

In any case, if you can go to a store where they'll let you try some, it can be very helpful. I usually call ahead and let them know I'd like to record the mics and bring the tracks home for review (you won't hear yourself clearly and correctly enough to make good judgements if you try to demo a mic with headphones on and with yourself as the speaker or singer).

My favorite condensers for female singers are the CAD E92 (sadly no longer available, except maybe used) and the MXL 990. The E92 sounds great on almost all female singers, and I especially like the 990 for singers that can benefit from a nice, warm proximity-effect boost. I have other, more expense, "fancier" mics, but I tend to go to these quite a bit. I'm also very fond of the AKG C535 EB. That is a mic with a very smooth sounding (not harsh/over-sibilant) high-end.

Don't be too quick to write-off a dynamic as a possibility, too. Before I got the SM7, the only mic in my current stable that I thought was really decent with my voice was the SM57.

Most people are thinking about side-address/large diaphragm mics when you talk about vocal mics, these days, but I would also encourage you to consider that small diaphragm mics and hand-held mics can be great vocal mics, too. They may not look as sexy as the big-uns, but size doesn't matter, right? (At least that is what I've been told. Should I read anything into that?? Hmmm.) Seriously though, the MXL 990 loos like a large diaphragm on the outside, but it is really a small diaphragm in a big housing. (Acutally, that is part of the beauty of the sound of that mic -- the element has room to breathe, and it produces what I think is a very "big," "open" sound that defies the low price quite considerably.

I'd like to try some of the newer from Blue mics, as well as more from the Audix line, and also see what the Heil offerings are like. So many mics -- so little time/money!

Come to think of it, the proliferation of mics over the past 10 years or so has been just amazing. Nowadays there is a whole universe of mics to pick from, and so many of those options are quite high-quality ones, and a great many of those mics are available at pretty remarkable prices that nearly anyone can afford -- now that's "pretty cool."



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Didn't you say you have access to the NT-1000?
That's one of the next mics on my shopping list. Why aren't you using that?


Wasn't crazy about the tone.
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Unfortunately the only store that has any mics other than pure crapola around me is Guitar Center. Well I could go to American Music in Bellevue as well, but that's a helluva drive. I'll be getting the Sennheiser SM4 around the 25th, and I have a 30 day no hassle return if I don't like it. I'll have something ready to record by then, too.

I like the way I sound off axis on my beta58a, too, but the thing is a little too noisy for recording. It's fine live, and for day to day use, but I wouldn't record with it.
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Look at Se X1 cardioid side address, and R0de M2 hypercardioid end address. Both phantom powered condensers, slightly different sounds. Both very good, both under $180. Both have very flat wide frequency response range.

We compared Behringer B2, B5, SE X1, Rode M2, and Cad 195. B2 and B5 were flat, but not as detailed as the X1 and the M2.


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Update on the Sennheiser MK4 LDC. Wow! Very transparent mic especially for the price. I sound like myself -- third party verification on this because I can't tell. I like it better than other mics in the same range (AKG C214 for example). It does need its own shock mount since a universal won't fit -- $299 for the mic, $99 for the shock mount.

One other thing -- it's quiet, detailed, and has a nice but not hyped presence (common in low priced LDCs).

Negatives: no PAD switch. no HPF switch. You'll need a mic preamp for this mic.
Positives: other than above -- it fits very well the the Presonus Studio Channel that I use for my preamp.

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I picked up a pair of Avantone CK-1 Small condenser mics. They have 3 capsules and a 10 db pad and a 80hz rolloff switch on each mike . So you get 3 polar patterns and 3 settings. It's like having 9 mics for the price of one. Very happy and compare to Neuman KM187s in the specs for about $149 each. Check them out here: http://www.avantonepro.com/Avantone-CK-1-Small-Capsule-FET-Pencil-Microphone.html

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I wouldn't recommend Blue mics for people that have really deep voices, since they tend to have a exagerated proximity effect and that is one of the thing that contributes for Blue's caracteristic "larger than life" sound. Some people say they sound unnatural.
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I have four Audix ADX51's and love them.
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Right now there are alot of good mics at great prices at sweetwater or musiciansfriend. I actually own a shure PG42 which is a beast with all types of recording from vocals to live guitars. I actually like having a wide variety of mics due to different types of vocal recording but for my i have only been using the pg42 by sure it cost around 200-250. I paid $250.00.. TRUST ME MAN FOR THE PRICES ITS A STEAL
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CAD 195 is good at about $70
CAD E70 is good. at about $99 with shock mount and windscreen
Rode M2 and M3 are good, at about $180 - $150. Get a windscreen (windtech)
SE X1 is good $200 + $50 for shock mount and pop filter
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Two lines of microphones you may want to check out are

ADK http://www.adkmic.com/catalog/audiophileseries/

and

Advanced Audio http://advancedaudio.ca/collections/fet-microphones


Both companies offer microphones that perform above their price level.

Lots to choose from and as others have said - although difficult - best to try before you buy since microphonse are so personal to one's voice
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