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talmen
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The FX in the SL and S1 are not the same. The stuff in the board is more limited (very functional, decent, but not as many options and control as with the plug-ins in S1). The 24s processing isn't much different from the 16s. From what I remember, the biggest differences are that the EQ (which I think is fully parametric on the 24), and having more graphic EQs to use.

Most people like to record "dry" and add processing in the editing/mixing/mastering stages. You can record wet with the SL, but then you're stuck with what you "printed to tape" -- no undoing that over-compression you just did, for example. If recording dry, the FX in the SL become meaningless (unless you need to use them for live PA while recording, or if you want to mix and master completely (or mostly) in the SL after tracking is done. Depending on your vision for using it, you might get by without an SL and you could consider a different interface. (I'd highly recommend a Firestudio or Firestudio Mobile, if that is the case.)

How many channels do you need to be able to record simultaneously? Are you going to use it live, or in the studio only?
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MacBook Pro 9.2 i5 2.5 GHz, 8GB RAM,
OS 10.8.5;
A & H Qu-16, AB1818VSL, Alesis IO14 / IO26,
PreSonus S1 v2.6.2.25990, Boom Recorder 8.3.2

Studio Kit:
iMac 11.3, i7 (Quad) 2.93GHz, 8 GB RAM,
OS 10.9.3,
M-Audio FW1814, PreSonus Faderport,
PreSonus S1 Pro 2.6.2.25590
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Studio only, using a drum machine and "real" players for everything else. The thing is, I like to mix with real faders and knobs, and when I record, some things need effects right off the get-go. On the other hand, if a Firestudio is the answer, can I record and mix with the Faderport? Now I really don't know what to do....

N.

Forgot to mention, the gear will be used to record both demos and sellable CD's......

I need at least 16 tracks......thanks.

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Yes, you can use the Faderport in conjunction with pretty much any DAW/interface.

If you need 16 and like an having analog mixer feel, I'd say go with the 16. If you need more than that, get the 24. I wouldn't get the 24 solely because of the different EQ/FX. If you wanted to be able to do a lot of different headphone mixes you could go with the 24 for the greater number of auxes. You could use a Firestudio with D8s as input expansion to give you 24 channels, but then your talking around ~$1400, and at that point, I get the SL 16 for not much more.

Not trying to confuse you here with too many options. A lot of different things would work for what you want to do, what really matters is matching the gear/software to the way you actually plan to work/use it.

The design of the SL makes it a great live mixer with great recording capabilities. The idea is that many will want to then take their Capture tracks and mix them down to 2-track using only the mixer itself because it is so quick and easy. You can also mix/master entirely in S1, or use some combination. Just remember that neither SL is a control surface for you DAW -- you can't record or use fader/knob movements on the SL to manipulate anything in the DAW software you are using.

If you have the time to spare, I'd download the manuals for the SL16/24 and Capture and get familiar with how they are designed to work. It may help you to better visualize how you might use them in your situation, and help you avoid making a poor decision by finding any functional limitations for your application that you missed going in.
Field Kit:
MacBook Pro 9.2 i5 2.5 GHz, 8GB RAM,
OS 10.8.5;
A & H Qu-16, AB1818VSL, Alesis IO14 / IO26,
PreSonus S1 v2.6.2.25990, Boom Recorder 8.3.2

Studio Kit:
iMac 11.3, i7 (Quad) 2.93GHz, 8 GB RAM,
OS 10.9.3,
M-Audio FW1814, PreSonus Faderport,
PreSonus S1 Pro 2.6.2.25590
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Based on my experience with DAW recording, not specifically the SL 24 but with other Presonus products, I would not use a USB HD for anything other then backup. HD speed is a must for any DAW. A 10,000 rpm internal would be preferred. A 7200 rpm internal will do for most applications. Despite what Apple may tell you, the hard drives in the iMac are user upgradable. I know, I've done it many times. A great place to by drives is http://eshop.macsales.com/ (I do not work for them). Another suggestion I have is do NOT daisy chain any other device off the Firwire port that the SL24 is connected too. I too am saving for a SL24 console. I just wish it would fit in a standard rack.
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Fader port

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You guys are great! Thank you for the great advice. I did the reading already, and decided to go with the FireStudio 26x26.

Now, I will use the FaderPort for mixing, but I was also looking at Presonus's recommendation for the Monitor Station to be used with the FireStudio for monitoring and headphones (is the headphone feature on this thing any good?) and talkback......just wanted to know what you think about this device. I read some reviews and apparently there is some slight coloration in the audio playback when it's piped through the Monitor Station.......what do you guys think about that?

Cheers!

N.
imac 21.5" 3.06 GHz intel core 2 duo
MAC OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
8 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256MB RAM
500GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm
Firewire 800 (Lucent chipset)
G-Technologies USB 2.0 500GB External Storage
FireStudio Project
Eureka Channel Strip
Central Station Studio Control Centre
FaderPort
HP4
Studio One Pro 2.6.0 Build 24200
Adam A7's & Adam SUB8
TASCAM CD-01U PRO
AKG C-214
SHURE SM-57/58
SHURE SM-81
Superlux CM-H8D
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I just purchased a Firestudio 2626 and a Digimax FS. I got everything configured last week and so far so good. I love the Digimax FS because is has direct outs for each of the inputs as well as DAC Outs. This allows me to send 8 channel directly to the mixer and setup the 4 DAC Outputs and my Main, Cue, Aux and one that I use for In-Ear system. The thing is cool. What I like about the Firestudio is that you can expand and configure it as your needs change.

I also have a Monitor Station but I have not used it yet. Based on the reviews I’ve read and advice I received on this board I am hopeful that it will work for my application. I didn’t hear anything about coloration during playback. I’ll break it out this week and test it and let you know.
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Fader port

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8GB Ram
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Thanks for that RJCStudios.

Yes, please let me know how the Monitor Station works out for you.

Cheers!
N.

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imac 21.5" 3.06 GHz intel core 2 duo
MAC OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
8 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256MB RAM
500GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm
Firewire 800 (Lucent chipset)
G-Technologies USB 2.0 500GB External Storage
FireStudio Project
Eureka Channel Strip
Central Station Studio Control Centre
FaderPort
HP4
Studio One Pro 2.6.0 Build 24200
Adam A7's & Adam SUB8
TASCAM CD-01U PRO
AKG C-214
SHURE SM-57/58
SHURE SM-81
Superlux CM-H8D
Toontrack EZDrummer/Nashvile Drums
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I just bought a 1642, mainly for live recording, but also as my main DAW interface. I'm also going for Studio 1.

I still have my Monitor Station, which I used exclusively before the 1642. I used it with a cheap headphone amp for cue mixes, and it worked great. Very easy to use, and very easy to set up at whatever levels you're using.
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nelsoncolt
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Congrats on the new gear!

Did you ever get to use the headphone feature on the Monitor Station Remote? What did you think of it?
By the way, I'm talking about this MSR: http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=47

Thanks.

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imac 21.5" 3.06 GHz intel core 2 duo
MAC OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
8 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256MB RAM
500GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm
Firewire 800 (Lucent chipset)
G-Technologies USB 2.0 500GB External Storage
FireStudio Project
Eureka Channel Strip
Central Station Studio Control Centre
FaderPort
HP4
Studio One Pro 2.6.0 Build 24200
Adam A7's & Adam SUB8
TASCAM CD-01U PRO
AKG C-214
SHURE SM-57/58
SHURE SM-81
Superlux CM-H8D
Toontrack EZDrummer/Nashvile Drums
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I haven't used the MSR remote, but my experience with the headphone amps in every piece of PreSonus gear I have ever owned (and that is a LOT of gear) has been very good, indeed.

One thing that has always stood out to me about PreSonus' gear is the fact that most of their pieces are more "neutral," "un-colored," or "transparent" sounding (which I personally like). I don't have personal experience with the MSR, but I have a hard time believing that it would impart a lot of coloration to your monitoring signal -- I think that is something they would make every serious effort to engineer around. If you've gotten some reports saying the sound is compromised I wouldn't abandon the idea of getting one, I'd suggest you try one out in your studio and judge for yourself.
Field Kit:
MacBook Pro 9.2 i5 2.5 GHz, 8GB RAM,
OS 10.8.5;
A & H Qu-16, AB1818VSL, Alesis IO14 / IO26,
PreSonus S1 v2.6.2.25990, Boom Recorder 8.3.2

Studio Kit:
iMac 11.3, i7 (Quad) 2.93GHz, 8 GB RAM,
OS 10.9.3,
M-Audio FW1814, PreSonus Faderport,
PreSonus S1 Pro 2.6.2.25590
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I agree! Also, I did some extra reading and I discovered that the Presonus FireStudio Project will actually suit my needs. I just need to find out if the Monitor Station Remote, http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=47, will be able to connect to the FireStudio Project........think I'll send an e-mail to Presonus about that one...onward!

Thanks guys.

N.
imac 21.5" 3.06 GHz intel core 2 duo
MAC OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
8 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256MB RAM
500GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm
Firewire 800 (Lucent chipset)
G-Technologies USB 2.0 500GB External Storage
FireStudio Project
Eureka Channel Strip
Central Station Studio Control Centre
FaderPort
HP4
Studio One Pro 2.6.0 Build 24200
Adam A7's & Adam SUB8
TASCAM CD-01U PRO
AKG C-214
SHURE SM-57/58
SHURE SM-81
Superlux CM-H8D
Toontrack EZDrummer/Nashvile Drums
[Email] [WWW]
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The MSR is only compatible with the Firestudio.
Field Kit:
MacBook Pro 9.2 i5 2.5 GHz, 8GB RAM,
OS 10.8.5;
A & H Qu-16, AB1818VSL, Alesis IO14 / IO26,
PreSonus S1 v2.6.2.25990, Boom Recorder 8.3.2

Studio Kit:
iMac 11.3, i7 (Quad) 2.93GHz, 8 GB RAM,
OS 10.9.3,
M-Audio FW1814, PreSonus Faderport,
PreSonus S1 Pro 2.6.2.25590
nelsoncolt
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Hey guys!

I finally got all my gear and am in the process of setting up and learning/playing with it.
A big THANK YOU for helping to steer me in the right direction for getting my Presonus gear. You are all wonderful people for helping out a stranger, so THANKS!

Nelson.
imac 21.5" 3.06 GHz intel core 2 duo
MAC OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
8 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256MB RAM
500GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm
Firewire 800 (Lucent chipset)
G-Technologies USB 2.0 500GB External Storage
FireStudio Project
Eureka Channel Strip
Central Station Studio Control Centre
FaderPort
HP4
Studio One Pro 2.6.0 Build 24200
Adam A7's & Adam SUB8
TASCAM CD-01U PRO
AKG C-214
SHURE SM-57/58
SHURE SM-81
Superlux CM-H8D
Toontrack EZDrummer/Nashvile Drums
[Email] [WWW]
RJCStudios
Presonic
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Cool! Great to see another member is the Presonus family. Good luck with all your new toys.
Server
Apple Mac Pro "Eight Core" 3.0 Ghz
5GB Ram
3 TB on (3) HD's
OSX 10.6.7
Presonus Studiolive 16.4.2
Monitor Station
(2) Presonus Blue Tube preamps
Fader port

Laptop
Macbook Pro 2.93Ghz
8GB Ram
OSX 10.5.8
500GB Int. 7200rpm HD
FireStudio Mobile
 
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