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FyLe ForMatz
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lmao @ the "live" comments.

S1 is a STAPLE in the STUDIO.
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FyLe ForMatz wrote:lmao @ the "live" comments.

S1 is a STAPLE in the STUDIO.


Must be hard to find when it falls on the carpet. And wear your shoes, you never know when you'll step on it

More seriously, what's your main use, tracking, mixing? If you use it for tracking, how do you handle the recording of your takes?
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Deltones wrote:what's your main use, tracking, mixing? If you use it for tracking, how do you handle the recording of your takes?


i use it for everything.

tracking, mixing, composing, mastering, etc.

i record takes like so:

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FyLe ForMatz wrote:
i record takes like so:



Hmmm... Ok, now I'm seeing something that escaped me about the use of layers: From your screenshot, I'm not sure if the lines crossing your audio events are split points, but I do see that only the selected ranges find themselves in the main track. Ok, yeah, this is not a workflow I'm used to when working with lanes in Reaper but that's a method that I could work with after some brain readjustments. An improvement to this process would be if I didn't have to promote the range to the main track and playback would play only the selected parts in the layers but maybe that will come another time, hopefully.

Thanks for that post. Made me see something I didn't before.
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Promoting is as simple as double-clicking the range I believe...

I still would like functionality like PT's playlists - that is, being able to edit the regions within each layer.
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5Lives wrote:Promoting is as simple as double-clicking the range I believe...

I still would like functionality like PT's playlists - that is, being able to edit the regions within each layer.


I'm not familiar with PT, but yes, editing within the layer would be good for sure, which would mean removing the freeze "feature" of the layers. I'm all for that.
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I'd hazard a guess that it's being changed to allow editing of inactive layers.

It's only really an issue for arrangements, not comping. In other words, there's very little need to edit something that wouldn't be playing anyway, so most editing will be done to parts that have been promoted to the main track. As relates to arranging it's a bit more problematic, inactive "takes" not following moves to the main track. So allowing those to be edited and allowing inactive clips to have some kind of "grouped" behavior would be good.

It was (the comping system) brand new as of 2.0, so it's not fully baked yet in 2.0.6.
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it's somewhat similar to logic's swipe editing (introduced in v. for me, that blew anything else around at the time out of the water, so i'm pretty glad presonus chose to go a roughly similar route.

when i was using reaper, it had some pretty serious drawbacks with looping/recording multiple takes, so i was never that wild about that whole system for that purpose.

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Deltones wrote:Yeah, I tried all methods I could think of for recording takes withing the confines of a single track. The layer was promising, but the freezing of the audio item within the layer killed that method for me. Already discussed in other threads so I know that this is something that annoys other users as well. We'll see how the update cycle goes.


What do you mean with freezing of the audio ? You can not edit in the layers, but you can easily make a layer the active one, if you want to edit a layer.
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LMike wrote:there's very little need to edit something that wouldn't be playing anyway


exactly.

i for one, don't have ANY issue with the current way comping and / or layering are done in S1Pro.
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There actually are some practical problems with inactive layers not moving but I don't associate those issues with comping takes. It's more a problem for arranging, like if you record 5 takes of chorus 1 and decide to use those takes in chorus 3, not so easy to move them all there at once. It also doesn't move clips on inactive layers when you insert time into an arrangement.

So there are some real issues there but (for me) nothing really to do with the task of "composite editing", assembling a working edit out of multiple takes. That part works fine for me. The other part(s) do need some modification though, imo.

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kelldammit wrote:i
when i was using reaper, it had some pretty serious drawbacks with looping/recording multiple takes, so i was never that wild about that whole system for that purpose.

kell


Reaper's comping isn't really comparable as a whole without some severe cherry picking, imo.. For one thing, all the edits for multiple comps of the same performances need to be split in the same place, which never was my reality. Make and store 3-4 comp edits of one performance and it remembers the "active sections", and that only really works if all the sections share common split points. If you're comping 4 on the quantized floor dance music that may work well enough, if not, not so much.

Here it's all free flowing and can be very random, the edit points, not to mention you can name your comp edits in their lanes and save multiple comp edits in the same range very easily on the timeline without bouncing any of it , and that you can use a comp edit as part of another comp edit in the same range, and that the original performances don't ever get split up on the timeline.

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LMike wrote:not so easy to move them all there at once


true...true...good point
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The thing I really don't like about the comping/layers system is that after you have made your comp, even if not but you have additional layers and takes......then you decide to move your active layer to a different point in the timeline....the takes/layers....do not follow.....what a pain when you decide to edit or re-comp later. I had to promote each take and move it, then demote it....quite a waste of time, unless I've missed a setting....
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LMike wrote:
Reaper's comping isn't really comparable as a whole without some severe cherry picking, imo.. For one thing, all the edits for multiple comps of the same performances need to be split in the same place, which never was my reality.


And here lies the main reason why the frozen layers is/was bothering me to no end, mainly because I initially saw them as the Presonus's response to lanes. What you describe above is exactly how I'm proceeding in Reaper i.e record my takes in lanes, then do a rough slip edit of the takes in the lanes, split the lanes at the same cursor point then comp by selecting the takes I want from the split segments in each lane. No need to promote anything to a main track.

There are improvements to be made in the layers for sure, but now I understand better how they work. Is it a better way than what I'm used to with Reaper? Hard to say for now, I will have to work with the layers as they were intended a bit more.

However, since it looks like Presonus is reading this thread, there is one thing beside what has been already mentionned about layers that would be absolutely excellent:

Let's say you have 4 takes on 5 layers. You select your favorite ranges from each layer but there is one range where you select the same range on all layers. If the "Play overlapping event" is activated, when you promote the ranges to the main track, stack the ranges that were the same on all layers on the main track so that when you play the main track, when it reaches the point in the timeline where you had selected the same range on all layers, the 4 events that were newly created from the 4 stacked ranges play at the same time. This would be similar to the "Play all takes" option in Reaper. This can create some mindblowing sonic results.

One practical use for this for example: Vocal harmonies, on the same single track. No need for extra tracks and wasted real estate, which always works great on my track templates.

Speaking of track templates. I made myself track templates for use with my Venice F32. One template is with Addictive Drums and the others are for Superior Drummer. Let me know if you guys are interested and I'll post them somewhere.

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