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muziksculp wrote:
Having said that, how are current S1.v2 users dealing with experimenting with various arrangement/pattern ideas ? are you mainly doing copy/paste, or using folders, or .... ? I would be very interested in knowing how you are managing without a proper dedicated pattern-style arranging tool.


I'm dealing with arranging the same way I always have. I write the song and I record it the way that I see fit. If I don't like the way it turned out I record it again. I did dabbled with Live for a day or two once but had no use for it. Nor would I have use for such a feature in S1.

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bm3w wrote:Asking for a feature, that many hoped will make it in v2, is neither asking for "bloat" nor nagging. All he wanted to know is when we can expect an update that brings new features such as the one he described on more detail. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Speaking for myself I'm all up for this feature. And the answer to how long it may take can only be given by Presonus. Everything else is just guessing.


Asking for a feature that has been asked for numerous times for v1 and that has been commented on by the devs as well as not being part of v2. Then when v2 is released, start this whole circus over again, is what I call nagging. I'm not talking about the topic starter, but some others on this forum (not solely in this thread) do have a tendency to request the same features over and over again. I'm all for this feature, don't get me wrong. But have a little faith and patience.

If you really need this feature to make music, I suggest you use Live until S1 has this feature in v3 or v4. Until then, your request has been noted (as confirmed) and will be implemented if and when the devs see fit.

And asking for a big feature update, when you've had one 60 days ago is... Well, lets just say if you've been around software development in any area, you know that's not a very likely situation to have another big release in January or February... But then again, what do I know...
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I will stick to Cubase 6 until Presonus adds this feature.

To me, it is a critical feature to have !

Even Reason 6 has the 'Blocks' feature, it was implemented for a very good Reason

imho. the Presonus S1 team should have had this in the initial deign of S1v1, it does not take a genius to figure out that it is a very important feature that any DAW that claims to be 'modern/cutting edge' should have something of this nature.

Oh well....

Maybe version 3 will have it, but that is a very long way from now. Unless Presonus gives it a higher priority on the list of feature they will add in version 2.

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I think one need to be critical to all kind of tools that make it easier to let the computer decide the course of a song. Such improvement in the sequencer wouldn't be so dangerous as many other inventions, but it may contribute to a " let the tools master the user" philosophy, and we have to ask the question if such a feature is critical for artistic production.

Compared with the old pen and paper way or even much in the hardware domain, such a feature doesn't seem to be critical for artistic production. With a "let the user master the tools" philosophy it would not even be a problem if such a feature is missing. So who's in need of compressors when one can gain ride? Or who's in need of arrangement track when one can arrange in the old way with a digital pen and a sequencer?
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Motoko wrote:You are all aware the big v2 release is only 60 days ago and they've worked 1,5 half years on this release right?

Man, you guys can be nagging and come across as ungrateful (sorry to day)...

Anyway, if you want new features, post an FR.

For those wanting new features, have patience...


Agreed. With the added benefits we got in v2 its quite clear Presonus is dedicated to this DAW and will be continuing to improve with each update.

I trust they have an outline of features to systematically implement. Let's not innundate them with the small stuff. To me... S1 doesn't NEED to do this. Might be nice... but u know what.. u can't please everyone. And they shouldn't try.
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Motoko wrote:
bm3w wrote:Asking for a feature, that many hoped will make it in v2, is neither asking for "bloat" nor nagging. All he wanted to know is when we can expect an update that brings new features such as the one he described on more detail. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Speaking for myself I'm all up for this feature. And the answer to how long it may take can only be given by Presonus. Everything else is just guessing.


Asking for a feature that has been asked for numerous times for v1 and that has been commented on by the devs as well as not being part of v2. Then when v2 is released, start this whole circus over again, is what I call nagging. I'm not talking about the topic starter, but some others on this forum (not solely in this thread) do have a tendency to request the same features over and over again. I'm all for this feature, don't get me wrong. But have a little faith and patience.

If you really need this feature to make music, I suggest you use Live until S1 has this feature in v3 or v4. Until then, your request has been noted (as confirmed) and will be implemented if and when the devs see fit.

And asking for a big feature update, when you've had one 60 days ago is... Well, lets just say if you've been around software development in any area, you know that's not a very likely situation to have another big release in January or February... But then again, what do I know...

Sorry Motoko, but I have to strongly disagree with you here.

First of all it's not nagging unless you find the same question or feature request 5 times a day in different thread spread all over the forum. That's simply not the case here.

Secondly I also don't like this "if you really need this feature stick to xyz." What's wrong with asking for a feature that you think would be great to have because it improves your workflow? However not having feature xyz doesn't automatically disqualify the product in use. I'm sure there a numerous features you'd like to see in S1 that aren't there yet, although it doesn't make you ditch S1, right?!

Thirdly I really don't get this "your request has been noted and will be implemented if and when the devs see fit" attitude. Don't you think that kind of answer should (and can) be given only by the devs themselves or maybe a company rep?

Lastly, is there a ban to discuss new features, because "it's only been 60 days" since the last big release? I don't think so. S1 v2 is far from being perfect and complete.

No offense Motoko, but I find it very strange that people like the OP are given a hard time, because some die hard S1 lovers think such a FR is not important and asking for it is considered annoying. Now look at this thread and note that it aleady has way too many replies on the wrong subject...

Oh...and merry Christmas to you and everyone else

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There is no harm in discussing how it should be implemented, actualy I think it's even good.as to when will it be, I dont know
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sees like a completely useless tool begged for by the reactionaries of the DAWs of the past. im sick of people coming to S1 and shoving there old DAWs ancient features and then saying "its not bloat". you just dont get it.

S1 is building a new, fresh DAW for TODAYs producer, not yesterdays. im not totally against pattern based sequencing, but there are other programs out there that already do it extrememly well. but then again, as i always have trusted, if the devs can imolement it in a slick and easy to use way, AND if it actually has purpose (not just to cater to the old fucks of the music world) then im for it, if not , fuck off
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Since moving to S1, I've found that I'm working harder on actually playing things right repeatedly, rather than cutting and pasting. I just seem to enjoy recording much more than I did in my previous DAW.

I'm still finding my way around S1, and do miss a few things, but nothing important enough to stop me working.

Personally I have no use or need for pattern based recording - I'm quite happy to do things in a linear fashion, but I appreciate others do work in that way.

As others have said, it will be implemented when the devs are ready, and have a suitably elegant way of implementing it!

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sdrr00 wrote:(not just to cater to the old fucks of the music world) then im for it, if not , fuck off


Nice way to talk dude, you could have said 'the old skoolers, and go away' and still have got your point across.

My personal feeling on this matter is I don't need the feature, if Presonus see fit to implement it in a future update fine, I still wouldn't use it, never did in Cubase.
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There's no advantage over block sequencer writting vs. piano roll writing. I write the same way one would if using block sequencing but with the piano roll...for about 9 years. You just write one pattern, duplicate it, then edit the duplicate and keep going.

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sdrr00 wrote:sees like a completely useless tool begged for by the reactionaries of the DAWs of the past. im sick of people coming to S1 and shoving there old DAWs ancient features and then saying "its not bloat". you just dont get it.

S1 is building a new, fresh DAW for TODAYs producer, not yesterdays. im not totally against pattern based sequencing, but there are other programs out there that already do it extrememly well. but then again, as i always have trusted, if the devs can imolement it in a slick and easy to use way, AND if it actually has purpose (not just to cater to the old fucks of the music world) then im for it, if not , fuck off
Looks like you didn't really get what the OP is asking for nor understanding the Arranger tool he was mentioning in his 2nd post, so, well, to use use your own words, fuck off
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you know they do have a work around so you could use the pattern system that you are use to, it's called rewire( I use it myself with Project5v2), you can find it the instrument browser, just drag it into your song and arrange away,oh and i like a low bloat software myself with thoughtful features added when available.

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CTSump wrote:you know they do have a work around so you could use the pattern system that you are use to, it's called rewire( I use it myself with Project5v2), you can find it the instrument browser, just drag it into your song and arrange away,oh and i like a low bloat software myself with thoughtful features added when available.

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I may be interested in your rewire workaround. Can you give a detailed description or photos / videos on how you do this?
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it always makes me wonder why do people acustomed some software come to developers of another product and demand features which were not really planned for that product. I can see the same thing happening on Renoise forums - with people requiring features from Ableton Live or FL Studio whir are really bizzare in Renoise environment. why cant you just use the software that fits you well if it already exists? i'm totally with Motoko on this.

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Certainly.
 
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