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16.0.2 vs 16.4.2 - The Hidden Differences - A lot more than you think (I Have Had Them Both)
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p.mooibroek
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Hi guys,
At this moment it is not possible to control the amount of FX in the aux channels (SL16.4.2). Rick Naqvi and others presonus staff announced this feature to be in the next firmware-update. This fact also is printed already in the brochures, but the firmware has not been updated yet.

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Piet
Presonus: SL 16.4.2, VSL & Capture, studio one pro 2 Faderport
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scottmckenna
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Sorry for the delayed response, I was out of town the last couple of days.

Not sure why no one believes me or sees this feature of individual effects seconds to each AUX, but here is a screen shot from Universal Control on a MAC just taken right now as we speak to show you.

In the screen shot you see the 6 AUXS above the channels. You see the sliders available to choose how much of each individual setting you'd like send to that AUX. Firewire, Tape In, Aux In A, Aux in B, FX A, and FX B. When you drag each slider, you're adjusting how much of FX A you want in Aux One, and how much of FX B you want in the AUX just like I mentioned. I've tested this with all six auxs, and it indeed does what I'm saying it does. Perhaps I got the release early or something, but it works perfectly, and I love this feature.
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scottmckenna
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I also have the Graphic EQ for all the auxs as well, which based on the someone else's post, that's not supposed to be out yet either? Apparently I got lucky, because all the features are already here for me /
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p.mooibroek
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Hi Scott,
Thanx for the screenshots. You must be a lucky guy to have this availiable! Can you adjust the levels on the SL itself (double click MIX)? Do you use the SL remote on the iPad? can you adjust FX settings on that as well?
And what firmware does your SL and VSL show?

Cheers,
Piet

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rnaqvi
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Hi Max,

You are correct. The 1602 shows up as a 16 x 16 recording interface. It uses a smaller chipset and therefore that was a limitation.

Hi Everybody:

Yes, this is a great thread. We certainly had to cut a lot of features to make the 1602 smaller and less expensive.

But a few things we did not cut:

It has the same A/D conversion as the other two mixers. It has the identical XMAX preamps. And it has the same 32 bit floating point DSP (just less parameters).

If you are a small four piece gigging band that mixes from stage, you'll probably love the 1602. Or if you want a desktop 16 x 16 recording interface that is also a mixer, you'll love it. Or if you are a keyboard player and want the ultimate keyboard mixer that will allow you to plug in all of your hardware synths, and also blend in software synths, you'll dig the 1602.

It's certainly not for everybody.

Next weekend I have to put together a small combo for my Mom's Retirment party. It will probably be myself, a bassplayer, a drummer and maybe another guitarist.

I'm bringing the 1602, a pair of QSC K12's for mains, and a pair of QSC K12s for monitors. I certainly wouldn't need or want anything more for that application.

The 1602 is nice when you want something small that sounds great.

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Hi Scott,

Since you loaded the VSL from the 1602, you are actually looking at an Alpha version of the upcoming firmware upgrade when you connect the 1642.

If you are going to be using your 1642, I'd advise loading the current firmware for the 1642 just so you don't come across any bugs. The version of VSL you have is up to date for the 1602 but not for the other two mixers.

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p.mooibroek
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AAaaaaaaaaah, it made me wonder....

Thanx Rick

Piet
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you guys talked about not being able to adjust levels to aux. on the 16.4.2 without VSL. I have 2 and it has been on the board since the beginning. I don't have the board in front of me, but on the screen you will find aux send and an arrow will come up and when an amount is added to the aux the arrow will point down but does not give you a level of how much you have added (only complaint when I use it). When you hit next another arrow pops up and is for aux2 and so on. I have used many times, just not lately because I have a monitor guy on a 24.4.2.

Sorry for not exact directions, but if someone needs to know how, I will get my board out and repost.

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scottmckenna
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rnaqvi wrote:
Hi Max,

You are correct. The 1602 shows up as a 16 x 16 recording interface. It uses a smaller chipset and therefore that was a limitation.

Hi Everybody:

Yes, this is a great thread. We certainly had to cut a lot of features to make the 1602 smaller and less expensive.

But a few things we did not cut:

It has the same A/D conversion as the other two mixers. It has the identical XMAX preamps. And it has the same 32 bit floating point DSP (just less parameters).

If you are a small four piece gigging band that mixes from stage, you'll probably love the 1602. Or if you want a desktop 16 x 16 recording interface that is also a mixer, you'll love it. Or if you are a keyboard player and want the ultimate keyboard mixer that will allow you to plug in all of your hardware synths, and also blend in software synths, you'll dig the 1602.

It's certainly not for everybody.

Next weekend I have to put together a small combo for my Mom's Retirment party. It will probably be myself, a bassplayer, a drummer and maybe another guitarist.

I'm bringing the 1602, a pair of QSC K12's for mains, and a pair of QSC K12s for monitors. I certainly wouldn't need or want anything more for that application.

The 1602 is nice when you want something small that sounds great.


Hi Rick. As I said in my first post, by NO MEANS was I saying anything bad about the 16.0.2. It's an amazing mixer for a great price, and nothing even compares in that price range. Also, I can't thank you enough for how many amazing videos you've done on youtube for these mixers. I've learned the entire board inside and out, from you, so THANKS. I was just trying to make an informative post that could be helpful for some people looking to make the right decision. I completely agree that the 16.4.2 is a little to much for some smaller rigs. I got it for full bands, and wanted the extras available, but I also bring it to my shows as just a SOLO act, and it's hilarious to see me with the huge 16.4.2 with just two channels. However, in my opinion the tradeoff off those extra features made it worth it.

Rick, here is the question I have. The number one reason that I got rid of the 16.0.2 was because of the option to be able to send certain amount of FX to certain channels. Is this something that's going to be available on the 16.0.2 in a new update? If so, that'd be a huge selling point to me. I know it didn't have it when I just had the 16.0.2. Is this something that's coming?
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p.mooibroek wrote:Hi Scott,
Thanx for the screenshots. You must be a lucky guy to have this availiable! Can you adjust the levels on the SL itself (double click MIX)? Do you use the SL remote on the iPad? can you adjust FX settings on that as well?
And what firmware does your SL and VSL show?

Cheers,
Piet


I didn't know I was so lucky to get this in advance, I was just excited that I was able to do this stuff. Pretty awesome.

I had no idea that you could double tap on the AUX, and then you have your control each FX. I tried it, and it works perfect. I can't wait for the official release to come out, so that I'm not running a non finished version of the firmware. Hopefully I have no issues, but so far it's been great. Awesome stuff.

I don't use SL Remote in the iPad (YET). I hope to get one soon, but right now, I don't use it.

My firmware on the SL shows Version : 1.50a
and on the VSL shows Driver Version : 3.5.5.10988

Also, where did you find this information out as to what's new in the firmware, etc.

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p.mooibroek
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scottmckenna wrote:Also, where did you find this information out as to what's new in the firmware, etc.


You can check the brochures: http://www.presonus.com/technical-support/downloads/brochures/

And it was mentioned in a video by Rick (don't know exactly wich one ). He was a bit optimistic about the releasedate ('within 30 days', he said) but I forgive him; It's worth the waiting, you have seen it in the alpha release you're running.
At this moment the Beta-team is testing.

Cheers,
Piet

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Good to know. Luckily I already have the updates, but of course it feels better when you have the official release that's been tested, etc. Hopefully mine will continue to run with no issues though.
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Hi Scott,

Since you loaded the VSL from the 1602, you are actually looking at an Alpha version of the upcoming firmware upgrade when you connect the 1642.

If you are going to be using your 1642, I'd advise loading the current firmware for the 1642 just so you don't come across any bugs. The version of VSL you have is up to date for the 1602 but not for the other two mixers.


And because Rick did test this a while back now, I would assume there are some bugs, and not worth the risk, or, they would have released it.
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ouch Alpha version released to the public

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musiclee
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what does the 16.0.2 have that the 16.4.2 doesn't?
i know about the MIDI, and the dedicated EQ button, (on 16.4.2 it's buried in last page of menu)

what else?
just trying to deice between the 2 mixers,
i know the 16.4.2. is overkill, but i like idea of 4band eq vs. 3 band, subgroups nice but not a must for me,
so not sure its worth the extra size, weight and $$$

 
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