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Considering a switch to Studio One, but a little hesitant.
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jerrymorrison
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I've been a hybrid Logic 9 / Pro Tools 9 user for awhile. Neither one quite hit the spot for me. I really dig Logic and the amount of loops, Instruments, etc that you have at your fingertips. It's so easy to get writing a song quickly. The one thing I dislike is editing audio. It is just so clunky. I had used PT in the past (Mbox, Digi 002) and I was comfortable with it. Editing audio is pretty intuitive (to me). I have Metric Halo ULN2 (love it!) and when PT9 came out I jumped on it. I still love the ease if editing and the general comfort level I have, but I have grown annoyed with some of the limitations the Avid (still) imposes. The major one being input monitoring with non Avid hardware. I am forced to use work arounds and they are clunky. It also makes doing simple punches more of a pain. It also seems to perform the worst of all the DAWs I have tried (Reason/Record, Logic, PT, Reaper).

This brings me to S1. I downloaded the demo, and installed. My first experience was not so great, considering S1 crashed twice while scanning my plugs (I some 3rd party plugs, Waves for one). Once I got it open and fumbled around learning the key commands and just general layout, I found myself really digging it. I love the interface. It has the best of what I like from Logic (singe window workspace) and PT (fairly straightforward audio editing) and few things I didn't know I would dig (drag and drop EVERYTHING, pretty genius). Just for kicks, I had a song idea I wanted to get down, so I went to Logic first and after I had been using S1, I felt like it took me too long to get going on getting the idea down. I reopened S1 and had the song down in no time, and I was thoroughly enjoying the process. S1 did crash on me however while opening up the sampler plug, causing me to lose the idea (that part is on me, I had forgot to save). So I am at a crossroads. With this price reduction, I am considering going all in with S1, and getting accustomed to it before V2 hits. I love the all in one recording, mastering, ease of use of it, but I am a bit worried about stability. Also, if I were to buy the pro version, how are the bundled loops, instruments etc? Since this is the Presonus board, I guess I am just looking for the push over the edge from someone who was in a similar spot and made the jump.

Thanks!

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Hey Jerry and welcome to the forums.

I'm not sure what setup you are running, but I'm running the machines in my signature and a lot of plugins, most of them are listed in my signature as well.

I've found S1 to be one of the most stable DAWs around. To be honest, I haven't had it crash on me as far as I remember. Other then me making a mess of things myself.

This is contrary to Logic, Ableton and PT. Which are all crashing on me. PT on Windows especially.

So there might be other with a different experience, but for me running S1 on both Win 7 x64 SP1 and Mac OSX 10.6.8 has been rock solid.
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When I first tried Reaper, I learned more just from playing around during the first hour than I did sitting in front of tutorial videos on PT for half a day.
With Studio One, I learned double the amount in that first hour, with the added bonus of not being able to turn it off - just like a great novel.

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Go for it,you won't regret it.
Also version 2 is coming soon
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Thanks for the info, guys! I just got a 30 dollar off coupon for Guitar Center, so that would make my purchase for the full Pro version, 169.99. I think that might be a steal. I'm jumping in! I used S1 again this morning and I am totally digging how easy the work flow is. Can't wait for V2.
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Hi Jerry,
Welcome! With regard to the crashes make sure all those plug-ins are up to date! I also say go for it, S1 is a great DAW!
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i can relate to this hesitation!
i'd buy it in a heart beat if i knew ( had some Presonus rep giving away details of what to expect ) of some improvements :
1) advanced midi editing ( alter velocities via keyboard short cuts - edit selected notes only to name just a few )
2) improved / proper support for Automap

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3) maybe have some more efficiency cpu wise ( nothing beats Reaper in this regards )

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Why oh why should you use Studio One...

You've already listed a few of the reasons why I chose it over the other options. Drag and drop workflow, as you've discovered, is phenomenal at just plain staying out of your way. Generally if there's something you think you should be able to do via drag and drop, you probably can. This is one of the main features that lead to the quickness of the DAW. And general ease of use as well. I rarely open the manual because, for the most part, I've been able to figure out most things by just tinkering.

I can vouch for stability as well, and would venture to guess that the problems with crashing are most likely plugin related. I have had a few instances where S1 has crashed, but in every case I was able to narrow it down to a problem with a plugin, not with S1 itself. Marathon recording sessions (I'm talking like 6-8 hours of using S1) have gone by without a hitch. As far as system resources goes, I would place it second behind Reaper. But as far as general ease of use, I put it way ahead of anything else.

Also the way that S1 and the Presonus interfaces interact is fantastic. Zero latency cueing with any of the Studiolive/Firestudio/Audiobox products is flawless, and extremely useful.

The included plugins and instruments are fantastic. The audio editing is sleek, easy and fast. The MIDI implementation is excellent. The single window approach is great, with the ability to use dual monitors for mixer/arrangement view setups if you want.

Lastly, but perhaps most importantly, the company is unequalled. Presonus tech support is next to none, and these very forums are filled with people that will go out of their way to 1) be friendly and 2) be helpful.

There's my pitch! Hope it helps you clarify things a bit.

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I have used S1 Pro for two years and have never had it crash on me. However I do not use any 3rd party plug-ins. I enforced that on myself to have maximum reliability and ease of use. The plug-ins provided by Presonus do all I need although I could use a nice pitch correction plug. Maybe V2?
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If stability is your main concern, I can but second that which Motoko has written.

It is by far the most stable of all DAWs I've used over the years. And I've used them all

3rd party plugins may well be the culprits in your problems.

Studio One speaks for itself, it doesn't need anyone supporting it in my humble opinion - the proof is in using it. But you found that out yourself!

Good luck in whatever you decide
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All clear here with S1. This is how I stress tested it some time ago.

Stability is definitely a strength with S1 IMO.
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I have been using Pro Tools for about 8 years and have PT9 running on 2 different environments, Lion and Snow Leopard. A week ago I purchased S1 to take advantage of the price reduction. To me the workflow seems lighter in S1, it's easier to get things done and really efficient if you're using multi-channel VI's (like Superior Drummer for example) to setup the aux channels. So from a barebones workflow position, S1 won me over. A big plus as well (for me personally) is that I can use my mod'd ProjectMix I/O, setup as HUI, switching back and forth between S1 and PT with no problems.

Because of some of the RTAS VI's in PT9, I had to create a session for a demo this weekend, after doing everything in S1 and PT, although feeling 'comfortable' because of my familiarity with PT , it also felt a little cumbersome.

So I am very happy with S1 for now and look forward to what V2 will bring to show.

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I certainly can't say S1 has never crashed on me, it has. It's very infrequent though and not a show stopper or interruption of anything really at all. Such is the nature of software so I always read in awe when people say "XYZ has never crashed on me in 5 years" or something like that and I often wonder how complex their projects are.

Actually... when I really think about it I don't think I own any software that never crashes in two years or whatever. I should be so lucky. Vegas (for example) occasionally crashes but I still get the work done. S1 does that far, far less often though.

If I had to pick a software app I own that hasn't crashed (at least not yet) it would probably be Google Chrome.

Honestly, Reaper crashes everytime I do a clean install. It crashes on the very first plugin scan without fail.

Anyway, although with my Mac OS I'm really far removed from the latest versions of S1 on OSX (not using a current version of OSX), it tended to crash more for me on OSX than on Windows when I ran it on both sides.

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I enjoy the simplicity and workflow of S1, but it was nothing new considering I have been using Ableton Live since 2005. It riddles me when I keep hearing about the drag and drop thing since this has been old news to me. I've actually had S1 crash quite a few times, but I've narrowed it down to using certain 3rd party plugins....Crysonic especially, so I just avoid using them within S1. I do understand why so many love it over PT or Cubase, Logic, etc etc. I actually still find myself using Cubase more than S1. I got Cubase 6 about 1 month before trying out S1 (beginning of this year), and even though I really like the feel of S1, I felt it lacked too much of the basic necessities that you hear everyone describe in the forum here. That doesn't mean that I won't use S1, but it has me anxiously awaiting, and checking the boards here everyday about version 2. Again, I do use Cubase as my primary. I've been the opposite of everyone. I started on FL, decide to work with Live for the majority since 2005 as mentioned, used Reason as secondary....then back to Live full-time, then PT7.4 for about a year, didn't like that at all....but since the crashes in Live 8 were killing, since the day it was released, I decided the moved to Cubase. I've loved Cubase. I actually use a lot of it's audio editing and midi editing, both where I feel S1 lacks (for me), but I hear this is gonna be getting better, so I can't wait. But in all honestly, I can't stand the floating windows in Cubase, and that is because I float with projects between my PC desktop, and my Macbook Pro, so resizing is a major drag, regardless of workspaces. Workspaces is nice though when working with one monitor, but its not perfect. Having the single window design limits the possibilities of ten million window configurations (I've been familiar with it with Live, and Logic). I'm quite happy with using most effects inside the box of Cubase, I've learned them well and am quite happy with the results. I would prefer to work in the box mostly and am mostly happy with the effects in S1 as well, but I have my 3rd parties for some necessary compression, guitar amp sim's, limiter/maximizer, etc. VI's synths, I have my 3rd party ones that I used in any DAW. I wish S1 will have a decent Convo Reverb to tweak and play with, though, I am quite content with its RoomVerb (actually really happy with it). I really need MIDI plugins/inserts though, I've always used them in Live and Cubase, so its hard not having this function available. Audio routing could be a little better, but not a killer. Setting up busses is great! Oh to mention, I wish there was a better way of handling/viewing FX plugins. I don't like the fact that I need to open the mixer to open an FX plugin. Screen estate is sometimes limited, so pulling up the mixer, open the plugins, and still wanting to working with the arrangement becomes cluttered. I think the inspector can be done a little better with regards to that, but not a killer. I think this is more of a scattered rant, but all in all, lets just say I'm dying for the release of 2, or at least the official info release of all the new features! But hopefully this rant gives a bit insight to switching over...while it may not be fully flushed, I think it's well worth so to begin the transition....take benefit of the cheap intro pricing right now....It really has features from all the great DAWs out there to help one transition easily. Just depending on each one's own workflow and requirements, it can be the primary DAW, or eventually the primary DAW, and if not, well....its not bad to have if you just want to sit, fiddle, brainstorm, doodle, etc....because it is quick at that. Sorry for any poor grammar, I'm just trying to write quickly while at work.
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illumin wrote: It riddles me when I keep hearing about the drag and drop thing since this has been old news to me.


I haven't used Ableton so, grain of salt, but S1's drag and drop goes farther than any other I've personally used. Below are just a few of the things I'd not personally had before, mileage may vary...

- Drag audio to print contiguous audio files or time stamped file regions.
- Drag midi clips out to make a midi file.
- Drag the entire mixer to the browser to store all of it's fx chains in one go.
- Drag an entire chain from one channel to another to replace it.
- Drag a new plug to any slot position, in between other plugs.
- Drag a send from one channel to another to duplicate it.
- Drag a plug from anywhere to make a new track with it.
- Drag the hand to put an envelope wherever you want it.
- Audition and drag in individual tracks from midi files.
- Audition and drag in individual slices from REX files.

I mean... it was drag and drop heaven for me coming from Cubase. If Ableton has always done all that, I wouldn't know.
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