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bobbybland
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Controller dept is lacking n it's not just Presonus, I'm hoping messe this year brings a much better show for controllers then Namm..Preferbally with some german engineering behind the software written for it.
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my idea controller would be something like this company made for reason! niceeeeee!!!


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It's like an Axiom with a built in faderport.

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I have to admit, .. if the SL 16.4.2 with 16 pres was just made to also be
a good controller, . I'd have one now.
Think about it, .. it's the Firestudio projects and a control surface all in one, ..

I like the 16.0.2 but you loose some mic pre inputs, .. I need at least 16.

I've been debating if it would be a good idea to switch from my
two Firestudio projects and ART channel strips to one of the above boards.

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Hey guys, i just received my Faderport today. Yeah, it took a while until i got it. And after 5 minutes using it, i know, i'll never want to do it without it again. So, shall Presonus make their own controller, alongside with supporting other major controllers? OF COURSE!

Imagine something like this: (Please forgive my sucky image, i've never done it before)

A combination of 8 or more motor faders, a transport section, and a touch screen (or an ipad docking port - mackie has done something similar last NAMM for instance) with a feature like V-window, just like V-Control Pro, and make it perfectly integrated with Studio One, and also compatible with other DAWs. Now THAT would be killer. Because having only the physical motorized faders, or only a touchscreen would never satisfy. Combine them, and you'll have a WINNER!
You have to be fast though, presonus, somebody can bring it out soon.


And then make another version with Studiolive integrated in it, and you'll RULE the world.
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If you want EUCON Support.. Go http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/19149.page
This is the Studio One Features request Article that is asking for Eucon support. Add your support here.. The more people that ask and support the new feature request the more likely Presonus are to add it.
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I would trade the audio in my 16.4.2 for flying faders and complete s1 integration. I would love for the board to still host the fat channel though.
So I guess what I'm saying is.... Just add flying faders to the SL and give us s1 integration and I'm a happy camper.

Audio isn't that important to me as far as the desk is concerned. But. I do like that the SL can relieve my CPU in processing.
I need my "Studio Live" to focus more on "Studio". I have adequate AD/DA conversion and I/O.... I just need control.

I really pray Presonus is hearing us.
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Hello all.
it's time to bump this thread

I'm a very very long time Cubase user (Since Steinberg Pro 24 on the Atari ) and have tried a lot of both generic and presumeably dedicated controllers over the years and owning a few as well.. so a dedicated controller to me should make the mouse and keyboard obsolete, or at least stretching this as far as possible.

Before jumnping on the CMC-train ( Steinbergs dedicated controller range, now owning 8 of them ) i tried the Euphonix Artistseries, the SSL Nucleus, never tried the Mackie Universal control but bought the Behringer BCF and BCR and a Novation ReMOte Zero
but feel all these together doesn't make one (1) perfect tool for controlling a modern DAW.. that's why i'm now sure Presonus will do it by writing the line in this thread: "We can do it much better" Music to my ears!

Having used the CMC's for a while i'm mostly pleased with the basic functionality and having the option to set them up in many ways is really sweet, but i will never understand WHY Steinberg neglect the possibility to access and load plug-ins on inserts, FX-channels and so forth into their protocol? and a few other weird things make me feel they're thinking backwards.

The funny thing is that 3rd party manufacturers of controllers, like SSL and Euphonix already have this functionality in their protocols.. though both the SSL Nucleus and Euphonix Artist controller doesn't work that good in reality with plug-ins in Cubase... Eucon seems to be a smart protocol but the hardware leaves a few things to whish for, interaction-wise, i.e a large touchscreen that packs so much functionality into it with no visual feedback is like buying a million dollare Rembrandt painting to a blind man.
the Mackie protocol, that many controllers rely on, feels is a bit dated and no so up2date with modern production techniques that these controllers fall short on several points.
Novation Automap is a good idea but their controllers should have better visual feedback and better precision knobs.
switching between plug-ins with no LED's showing how the parameters change is no good idea.

Well..the day Presonus makes a dedicated 16 fader controller packed with smart features that takes the keyboard and mouse out of the mixing equation and leave them for writing lyrics, i'll jump the train any minute

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Magnus666 wrote:Hello all.
it's time to bump this thread

I'm a very very long time Cubase user (Since Steinberg Pro 24 on the Atari ) and have tried a lot of both generic and presumeably dedicated controllers over the years and owning a few as well.. so a dedicated controller to me should make the mouse and keyboard obsolete, or at least stretching this as far as possible.

Before jumnping on the CMC-train ( Steinbergs dedicated controller range, now owning 8 of them ) i tried the Euphonix Artistseries, the SSL Nucleus, never tried the Mackie Universal control but bought the Behringer BCF and BCR and a Novation ReMOte Zero
but feel all these together doesn't make one (1) perfect tool for controlling a modern DAW.. that's why i'm now sure Presonus will do it by writing the line in this thread: "We can do it much better" Music to my ears!

Having used the CMC's for a while i'm mostly pleased with the basic functionality and having the option to set them up in many ways is really sweet, but i will never understand WHY Steinberg neglect the possibility to access and load plug-ins on inserts, FX-channels and so forth into their protocol? and a few other weird things make me feel they're thinking backwards.

The funny thing is that 3rd party manufacturers of controllers, like SSL and Euphonix already have this functionality in their protocols.. though both the SSL Nucleus and Euphonix Artist controller doesn't work that good in reality with plug-ins in Cubase... Eucon seems to be a smart protocol but the hardware leaves a few things to whish for, interaction-wise, i.e a large touchscreen that packs so much functionality into it with no visual feedback is like buying a million dollare Rembrandt painting to a blind man.
the Mackie protocol, that many controllers rely on, feels is a bit dated and no so up2date with modern production techniques that these controllers fall short on several points.
Novation Automap is a good idea but their controllers should have better visual feedback and better precision knobs.
switching between plug-ins with no LED's showing how the parameters change is no good idea.

Well..the day Presonus makes a dedicated 16 fader controller packed with smart features that takes the keyboard and mouse out of the mixing equation and leave them for writing lyrics, i'll jump the train any minute


One thing I'm absolutely sure of is that you will NOT see 16 flying faders. That would take it right out of the "Affordability" column. So forget that right away. When I used Cubase, I used the Steinberg Houston. Yeah, no one else liked it but I had full control every plugin I needed. I still have mine just in case. It doesn't work with Studio one (although I'd pay top dollar to anyone who could make a template for it) But all we need is

1. 9 faders & pan knobs
2. Full LCD display
3. Control of all plugins
4. jog wheel
5. Transport and other buttons from the Faderport

That's it as far as I'm concerned.

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themuzic wrote:One thing I'm absolutely sure of is that you will NOT see 16 flying faders. That would take it right out of the "Affordability" column. So forget that right away. When I used Cubase, I used the Steinberg Houston. Yeah, no one else liked it but I had full control every plugin I needed. I still have mine just in case. It doesn't work with Studio one (although I'd pay top dollar to anyone who could make a template for it) But all we need is

1. 9 faders & pan knobs
2. Full LCD display
3. Control of all plugins
4. jog wheel
5. Transport and other buttons from the Faderport

That's it as far as I'm concerned.


I see your point but i didn't say motorized faders, did i? there's much smarter and more effective teqhniques to use nowadays..

"Affordability" depends solely on what components you are using when manufacturing the controller and what kind of user range you point the controller to..i've seen there is a lot of people wanting support for the Euphonix controller and this controller range isn't "Affordable" either by your point of view then.. in fact i got these 8 units of CMC's for a lower price than a new Artist-controller and i have 16 beautifully silent, very precise faders on touchstrips... the only thing i'm missing from these 8 units is a way to control plug-ins (loading on inserts/FX insert e.t.c as well as editing parameters ) for which i'm now using the Novation ReMOTE Zero and Automap to do and it works really well in conjunction.
The Euphonix series you could easily expand when required so to please a broader range of users i guess you should take into consideration to make it expandable.. i've tried using the dreadful "banking feature" of many 8 channel controllers but it's really a pain in the @ss to work fast with.

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I was impressed with CMC controllers and seriously considered going back to Cubase if I liked them. I didn't. They just feel like toys and the faders, I didn't find accurate enough. If you are a guitar player and have very heavy calluses on your finger tips like I do, you can't use that hand to mix, at least in my experience. If Presonus goes down this route, I for one, will be very disappointed.

It HAS to be physical, motorized faders or forget it.

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themuzic wrote:
I was impressed with CMC controllers and seriously considered going back to Cubase if I liked them. I didn't. They just feel like toys and the faders, I didn't find accurate enough. If you are a guitar player and have very heavy calluses on your finger tips like I do, you can't use that hand to mix, at least in my experience. If Presonus goes down this route, I for one, will be very disappointed.

It HAS to be physical, motorized faders or forget it.


I play them drums as my main instrument but also guitar and keyboard if i need to.

I agree that the CMC's lack some critical functions to be called "pro".. the "toy factor" isn't someting i take into consideration when having all those functions hands on and only 1 button press away, but the last firmware fixed the sensitivity ( on the faders ) and it's actually a big difference to it,.. and the "plastic" feel is only an issue if they're standing by themselves.. when snapped together to form a bigger unit, it's another story.. but plastic or not, i work so damn fast with my setup that i feel crippled to do the same in Studio one even though Studio One feels more logical and has some very very neat and fast features.

Lets hope for the best, shall we?

Take care.

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...I record live in small spaces and suggest STRONGLY that any new control surface like FaderPort use QUIET buttons. I cannot use my FaderPort on location because each button press to Record is loud enough to be heard at the beginning of each take. And if not, it is distracting to the artists performing.

It makes no sense for recording controls to make audible noise (even in the studio)...


This is exactly why I returned mine - this and the extra bit of effort required to push the buttons on it.
If they remake it with the soft press quiet buttons like on the 16.4.2 or 24.4.2 mixers, then I'd reconsider.
4-8 assignable zones/tracks would be even better this time 'round, even though this would add to the size & cost of it.
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ooohhh2 wrote:Hey guys, i just received my Faderport today. Yeah, it took a while until i got it. And after 5 minutes using it, i know, i'll never want to do it without it again. So, shall Presonus make their own controller, alongside with supporting other major controllers? OF COURSE!

Imagine something like this: (Please forgive my sucky image, i've never done it before)

A combination of 8 or more motor faders, a transport section, and a touch screen (or an ipad docking port - mackie has done something similar last NAMM for instance) with a feature like V-window, just like V-Control Pro, and make it perfectly integrated with Studio One, and also compatible with other DAWs. Now THAT would be killer. Because having only the physical motorized faders, or only a touchscreen would never satisfy. Combine them, and you'll have a WINNER!
You have to be fast though, presonus, somebody can bring it out soon.


And then make another version with Studiolive integrated in it, and you'll RULE the world.


i think it'd be cool if Presonus just went with the design of the TC6000 icon controller, but put in motorised faders so that it matches parameters onscreen.

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I have actually come to the conclusion that this is just never going to happen. I think that they see their target market as one that does not really want a controller. With the current Mackie protocol as bad as it is, I see this as a sign that there is not a big need for a dedicated controller. Anyway, it has been said before by workers of presonus that the hardware and software departments do not work together tightly.

With X2 on the horizon, I hope that Sonar is not able to "pull me back in". LOL. I like Studio One, but I am seeing small chinks in the armor lately that I really never noticed. Did some comparing to Ableton...gonna give Live 9 a shot when it comes out. Maybe I can rewire it into Studio One...or use it as a VST. Anyone doing this?
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