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3dmus
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Just tried it...feel stupid now! In my defense, as I got Melodyne with Sonar I hadn't tried it properly yet in Studio One. Teaches me to RTFM!
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I have both Studio One producer and Sonar X3. I've just done some tests I would say that the MIDI editing tools that are available in Studio One are considerably better than those which Sonar has to offer. Sonar can't even do proper MIDI overdub recording. It insists on creating new clips one on top of the other. Studio One lacks an event editor at the moment but I must say I'm quite impressed with the midi tools it has on offer. The improved metronome is something I've been asking for in Samplitude for years.
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When I first consider S1V2 one of the things I asked here was about how to tweak MIDI with the Midi Event Viewer I was so used to using in Sonar. themuzic showed me via videos ways to tweak midi in S1V2. I've come to not miss the event viewer at all.

Heck, most of the time I was in the event viewer I was editing things like the double midi notes appearing in the viewer. Or adjusting the volume on certain notes.

I've gotten so use to using the Midi window now in S1V2 I don't miss it one bit.
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Just learned something from your posts, myself. I keep learning new things that make me like Studio One more and more.
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tyacko wrote:themuzic showed me via videos ways to tweak midi in S1V2. I've come to not miss the event viewer at all.
Which particular videos are these? I've seen several of his videos (I like them) but don't remember if I saw these.
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kraznet wrote:I have both Studio One producer and Sonar X3. I've just done some tests I would say that the MIDI editing tools that are available in Studio One are considerably better than those which Sonar has to offer. Sonar can't even do proper MIDI overdub recording. It insists on creating new clips one on top of the other.

I don't know how long you've been using Sonar but it's interesting how our preferences differ. It's true that Sonar creates new clips one on top of the other, but is it possible for S1 to do that? Maybe there's an option to switch the behaviors somewhere and I just don't know it..., but if it's not possible then I think both daws should have the option to switch the behaviors (like other daws). But, if I had to choose either of the behaviors, I'd choose the one in Sonar because I can easily merge the clips later.

Also, I'd be glad if S1 could implement/improve the following MIDI features (I'm doing this hoping PreSonus is still reading this thread and will consider implementing the features, although I've posted all of them in the FR forum if my memory is correct):

- S1 starts drawing a MIDI event before it receives any data from your MIDI keyboard and continues drawing the event until you stop the recording or it reaches the end of the punch in/out section. This makes the event unnecessarily long, and there's no command to easily and accurately trim the event (you have to select the region and apply the "Crop Selection" macro). This, as well as the recording mode issue mentioned in your post, is a matter of preference, and I personally like Sonar's implementation. Again, I wish both daws had the option to switch the two behaviors.

- If you copy shard MIDI events and paste them somewhere else in the song, the link between the shared events pasted breaks. Also, I think shared events should share the same event color and name. In S1, if you change the name or color of one of shared events, other events in the group still show their original color/name.

- You can't give the notes in the Editor and their event in the Arrange view different colors. I personally want shared events to have the same event color, while being able to give all notes in that track one different color.

- The Humanize and Humanize Less commands aren't really usable to me, note/velocity randomization is much more detailed in Sonar.

There are more but these are probably my top 4 MIDI inconveniences in S1, but as we all know, everyone has different needs and preferences so I don't complain and just submit feature requests.

Thanks

Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention the clip lock feature, which is good because you won't mistakenly move events themselves or the data in them.
And also the superior multi-track MIDI editing in the MultiDock.....

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I just lolz at the idea that S1 is somehow inferior to sonar midi.

If I make a part, and would like to quantize it or to a groove, it's a simple process. In sonar, not only doesn't it work most of the time, it's complex. I really don't understand why sonar is so much "better" to some.
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But one member of this forum who spends much more time in creating music than you and uses S1 as his main daw said recently he uses Sonar for its "rich MIDI" so you can't just laugh, I guess...
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Sorry but I always remember this picture when i saw a S1 vs Sonar threat. (at MIDI side)


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jackdiedtoday@gmail.com wrote:Sorry but I always remember this picture when i saw a S1 vs Sonar threat.


Are you the same Jackdied who makes great posts in the Sonar forum? I still remember and like this one you posted sometime ago:

"a few words...

S1v2= Great Daw: fresh codes, limited functionality, good effects, bad virtual instruments, poor content, good audio editing, good midi..

Sonar x2= Great Daw: old codes, great effects, ProChannel Modules, full functionality, good instruments, good content, good audio editing, the BEST of midi..

Reaper 4= Great daw: fresh and unique coding, limited functionality, ugly but good effects, no instruments, no content, the best of audio editing, poor midi. "

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Jlien X wrote:But one member of this forum who spends much more time in creating music than you and uses S1 as his main daw said recently he uses Sonar for its "rich MIDI" so you can't just laugh, I guess...


Aye. That would be me. Without using SoundWerx's (Rob) excellent Instrument Definition Manager add-on, S1 has no means of storing external synth/sound module patches and patch names so they can be browsed, auditioned and selected for a track. Sonar's facilities in that respect are A1. I love using S1 for all-audio projects but revert to Sonar for MIDI ones. I don't have a problem with that as I enjoy using both DAWs.
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hibidy wrote: I really don't understand why sonar is so much "better" to some.


It is just in this thread...
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Jlien X wrote:But one member of this forum who spends much more time in creating music than you and uses S1 as his main daw said recently he uses Sonar for its "rich MIDI" so you can't just laugh, I guess...


And another former member of this forum who is no longer with us, and was the most respected member of Sonar's forum that there ever was, switched to Studio One, and he was strictly a midi user.
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Aside from the Snap to grid and duration, which I think Cakewalk messed up in the X series, I much prefer Sonar's PRV and find it more intuitive than Studio One for adding, editing, deleting, selecting notes. Studio One's piano roll menu with the quantization options wins there.

Sonar kills Studio One in tempo drawing. No competition there. I hate the way I can just draw a tempo in S1 and think that badly needs to be addressed in V3.

Sonar's PRV is better looking too IMO, but that doesn't carry that much weight with me.

I have no doubt Studio One is about to kill Sonar's Staff View with the Notion acquisition, however an Event View would be nice too.

So yeah, there's some MIDI things that I think Sonar is better at, and others where I prefer Studio One. That said: I've been using Studio One as my main DAW mostly because of stability, but also because of some features S1 has that Sonar still doesn't, and the overall workflow, which I find better.

Each DAW has it's strengths and weaknesses, and what those are will vary from user to user. Nothing wrong with that.



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Jlien X wrote:
tyacko wrote:themuzic showed me via videos ways to tweak midi in S1V2. I've come to not miss the event viewer at all.
Which particular videos are these? I've seen several of his videos (I like them) but don't remember if I saw these.


I'd be interested in finding out what these videos are too. I wouldn't mind learning something new...
 
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