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bigcohoona
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themuzic wrote:

Nope, NOTHING!! I go straight out of my Firestudio Tube to the Blue Sky system. This is the system I have, only I have the older version without the nice little volume box...

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CubaseUser wrote:I think it comes out of necessity as I used the mouse solely for a long time under I got to the point of frustration of having to scroll everywhere just to access menus our so anything. Keyboard shortcuts took some time to get used to but you realise that there are a few uninstall commands in all software, cut, copy, paste, undo, select all, save, quit etc. the draw back is that you've got to use both hands to do these commands. With some control surfaces they have these commands mapped to one button. Even quicker.


THIS I TOTALLY AGREE WITH!!!!!! Whether it's a mind thing or not, or whether you like using the mouse or not, is not the issue. It's the fact that Studio One should have controller support beca,use it makes life easier. Not saying everyone uses them, but for people who own Eucon Controllers like myself and for those who own Mackie Controllers, and so on who ported over, we should at least be given the option to use our gear. Jonathan has given us hope, which is a step in the right direction. And like I said I love Presonus, love Studio One but I can't recommend it in complete honesty to someone without controller support, without being completely open with them about the lack of. One more thing not to have AlphaTrack support is crazy. The Faderport and it are basically siblings. I will support this company, I will go to any event put on by them, but sometimes tough love is the best love.

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madehumble wrote:
CubaseUser wrote:I think it comes out of necessity as I used the mouse solely for a long time under I got to the point of frustration of having to scroll everywhere just to access menus our so anything. Keyboard shortcuts took some time to get used to but you realise that there are a few uninstall commands in all software, cut, copy, paste, undo, select all, save, quit etc. the draw back is that you've got to use both hands to do these commands. With some control surfaces they have these commands mapped to one button. Even quicker.


THIS I TOTALLY AGREE WITH!!!!!! Whether it's a mind thing or not, or whether you like using the mouse or not, is not the issue. It's the fact that Studio One should have controller support beca,use it makes life easier. Not saying everyone uses them, but for people who own Eucon Controllers like myself and for those who own Mackie Controllers, and so on who ported over, we should at least be given the option to use our gear. Jonathan has given us hope, which is a step in the right direction. And like I said I love Presonus, love Studio One but I can't recommend it in complete honesty to someone without controller support, without being completely open with them about the lack of. One more thing not to have AlphaTrack support is crazy. The Faderport and it are basically siblings. I will support this company, I will go to any event put on by them, but sometimes tough love is the best love.


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I would be very happy even if 2.0.5 or 2.1 contained only *full* MCU compatability.

I love S1V2 .... but I was quite astounded to find that MCU compatabiltiy was still only half-baked.

Still ..... I have no doubt we will get it ... and that we will get it sooner rather than later.

Ben

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I can understand how some like using the mouse and keyboard for what they do. I used to record on a Roland VS-2480 and it was the recorder and the controller at the same time. It did support a mouse and keyboard, but having a controller it just made more sense to use it rather than going to the mouse or keyboard. Many times using the controller was much more accurate for me compared to grabbing the mouse.

The controllers available to the market allow people to use them like recording with a recording desk (plus adding features beyond what the original desks could do). For quite a few of us that just feels like the right way to mix. Others may not.

I know that when Presonus supports things like Eucon and a more complete Mackie support (just to name two) I will definitely consider a more advanced controller than the Faderport I have today.

Here's to hoping they provide the appropriate API documentation so that any third party controller vendor can develop and deliver with S1 support (rather than focusing on a specific set of controllers).
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I'm all for full mackie mcu support. Would solve a lot of issues.

I don't feel that a lot of people quite understand the full power of key commands. With a good knowledge of key commands, you can operate almost mouse free. We are so indoctrinated into pull-down menus that we forget that most of those things can be done with a keystroke. Editing, navigation, zoom, operational, transport, pretty much all of it. Virtually mouse free, and no harder to learn than a controller. Just committing some stuff to memory.

Sure, it's nice to have a great piece of hardware doing what it should, but you don't have to be less empowered because you don't have it.

As for Alphatrack, I have it and Faderport and I can tell you that although the Alphatrack may have extra encoders and displays for some extra functions, the Faderport walks all over it in terms of general functionality,
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benifin wrote:I would be very happy even if 2.0.5 or 2.1 contained only *full* MCU compatability.

I love S1V2 .... but I was quite astounded to find that MCU compatabiltiy was still only half-baked.

Still ..... I have no doubt we will get it ... and that we will get it sooner rather than later.

Ben


A couple years have passed and nothings surfaced yet,I doubt it will anytime soon,but I'd like to be proven wrong.
Beyond pessimistic at this point I just feel like their direction has been swayed,we get more audio loop n content,but no controller support? More tube pre's cheap audio interfaces which also are half baked,yet no Controller support..

I understand they built hardware first,but supporting the user with their software should be just as important as a new cheap interface or ios gimmick to pimp.
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A full and flexible working mackie support would be so nice. My dream is a MCU Pro, two Extender Pro and (yes I dream on) a C4. No other I need. Oh, maybe not in two years.
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bdhender wrote:I'm all for full mackie mcu support. Would solve a lot of issues.

I don't feel that a lot of people quite understand the full power of key commands. With a good knowledge of key commands, you can operate almost mouse free. We are so indoctrinated into pull-down menus that we forget that most of those things can be done with a keystroke. Editing, navigation, zoom, operational, transport, pretty much all of it. Virtually mouse free, and no harder to learn than a controller. Just committing some stuff to memory.

Sure, it's nice to have a great piece of hardware doing what it should, but you don't have to be less empowered because you don't have it.

As for Alphatrack, I have it and Faderport and I can tell you that although the Alphatrack may have extra encoders and displays for some extra functions, the Faderport walks all over it in terms of general functionality,

I agree about keyboard commands, much faster, yet PreSonus have made a big deal about drag and drop and so they realise that using the mouse is key to fast performance in this Software. If they can crack keyboard shortcuts to replicate drag and drop then they would have achieved something amazing
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bobbybland wrote:
I understand they built hardware first,but supporting the user with their software should be just as important as a new cheap interface or ios gimmick to pimp.


I know you're bummed, and you have good reason concerning the controller support. Please understand though, the hardware teams and the Studio One team are completely different entities. Studio One development is not affected very much by any hardware development so far, and it certainly has not played into the state of our controller support.

Bending these old standards (HUI, Mackie Control), or even new messy ones like Eucon, into usable form in a DAW is not quite as simple a task as users would have it be. Like I've said before, we're focused on making this better, it just takes time.
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It would be out of the ordinary,but I've seen dev's do it,how about showing progress or idea's on what's to come.
Support,but if not the typical mackie,hui etc. then what's coming?
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I do not get it. Look at what happened to PT. People were not happy with something that was good for it's intended purpose. They wanted features that everyone else has. Not it has no personality and looks and functions like some other DAWs, and completely hacks me off. Things are not where they have been for years, and some of the things I used to do now require more key-strokes. We have old standards and protocols (MIDI, HUI, etc). Now we have a new DAW in SO, which is faster, not to mention lean and mean. Lets not do to it what people have done to Reaper, PT and others, making them so complicated and bulky that they require us to switch from the creative part of the brain. Controllers are nice. I would rather have a dedicated controller, speaking SO's language directly. That is my opinion.
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lowdbrent,

I agree and I'd be all for a dedicated controller from Presonus that can do signifcantly more than what the Faderport does today. I don't want that to sound like the Faderport is failed by any stretch because I own one and use it. It is a good general controller for Studio One work.

Depending on how creative the hardware/software team could be they could create a pretty compelling controller that satisfies the need for physical faders/knobs and the ability to be dynamic in the sense of having touch enabled surface for FXs/VSTi tweaking. Eucon has a form of this, but I think Presonus could imagine something much more effective if the two teams (hardware/software teams in Presonus that is) worked together and focused only on making Studio One its main purpose.

Jonathan - I hear ya man. I know that integration with third parties is not easy especially if it wasn't imagined early on in the development of Studio One. Keep up the great work.

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I know I'm preaching to the choir, but full MCU support would be fine with me. I really don't understand what is so difficult about accomplishing this?

Some guy named "Klinke" over in the Reaper forum managed to write a plugin, on his own, that pretty much makes the MCU Pro 100 percent compatible with Reaper. He even includes jpg file of templates you can lay over the unit so you know what the buttons do.

So if a layperson, even if he is a programmer, can manage to do this in his spare time, why can't the professionals at Presonus manage the same thing?

Sonar supports the MCU fully, up until the new Prochannel and then some forum member managed to figure out how to change some file so now it DOES pretty much support the MCU 100 percent like the 8.x series did.

Samplitude really goes over the top with MCU support and everything, AFAIK works perfectly.

And on it goes until you get to Studio One which turns the MCU into a fancy transport control.

I just don't get it?
How difficult can this be if lay people are able to do this in their spare time without having source code to Reaper, Sonar etc?

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Frank Funk wrote:@ bdhender

You are so right. I agree with you but how can I creat a dub-mix on the fly (24 channels muting / soloing / open sends different per channel / eq-driving and so on) without layer jumping on a controller, with a mouse or key-commands with 1 or maybe 8 faders? Please teach me. For me, people works different. No question to me what other pro-producer are doing. I have to find my own way and this can be different. But please if you have some suggestions to me let me hear you.


I mix entirely using midi-faders and do all my mixes on the fly (i'm a kind-of new-age Electronic sound System performer). The real difference in how I work is that I do all my controls 1:1, That is: I use multiple midi controllers. Each one has a purpose and a set of controls that I use. I use multiple brands and re-map most of the "Controller Support" uses for those faders.

There are so many solutions out there for doing whatever you can dream of doing with a DAW (controller-wise). It boggles the mind. I know that the way I was brought up in DIY computer culture, you find your own solutions using what is available to you or what you have. Today, we have 500 times the options and quality of tools available to us for 1/50th the price they were 15 or 20 years ago. I can do things now that I only dreamed about even just 10 years ago.

 
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