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Option for individual channel mutes to not affect Aux out?
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bcraig
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I've got my in-ear monitors running on Aux 3 of our church's 24.4.2 and floor monitors on Aux 1. We like to mute all necessary channels while band plugs in and unplugs when coming to and leaving the stage. However, the sound guy usually waits until the "amen" before un-muting. As a result, I have no sound in my in-ears until he does...eliminating the ability to do those last minute guitar lick rehearsals!

I know the reason for the mute to affect the Aux outs, but is there a way to turn that off for each individual aux out? Eventually, we'd like to get the entire band on each of the aux outs. This is our only hold up right now.

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Honestly your best option is to get a second board and have a monitor board where the direct outs go to the FOH console. This isolates your monitors completely. as an Engineer, I very much dislike boards that don't mute the aux's or the mix b's.
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Let me tack on to that... OR get a system like Aviom that will also have isolated monitor channels that you mix yourself from your station.
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We've got the SamePage in ear system with the 19" screens for viewing the music. We just are looking at going to iPads for music reading and figured, why not control our own Auxes on the PreSonus from our individual iPads? Plus, the SamePage is limited to 16 channels, as is the Aviom...but the PreSonus...we can get 24.

I like being able to mute everything too, but it would just seem like a simple option check box to have the Aux Outs be able to mute separately from the channel mutes.
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Maybe one of the Presonus Guys knows of something but I'd imagine that would be a Yamaha M17 or LS9 or above feature. It's a good thought for sure! It would be learning curve for us engineers that do road rigs because not every show would have in ears.
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bdunn829 wrote:Maybe one of the Presonus Guys knows of something but I'd imagine that would be a Yamaha M17 or LS9 or above feature. It's a good thought for sure! It would be learning curve for us engineers that do road rigs because not every show would have in ears.


I may have missed a menu option somewhere, but in my experience even those two Yamaha consoles don't have this feature. When the "ON" button is deactivated (Yamaha consoles have "ON" buttons instead of "MUTE" buttons), the channel is muted in all of its routed outputs.

I'd go with the separate monitor console like bdunn suggested, or if you're in good with the sound guy you may be able to talk him into saving a scene just before he mutes you guys. Then instead of muting you, he could pull down your faders so you're still in the aux mixes. Then, to unmute you, he just recalls the scene. Probably depends on how many other things he has to worry about as the band starts though!

Or you could make sure you know your part before Sunday!
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You could assign all the band channels to one or two sub-groups. With the sub faders down, un-mute the channels after you plug in. Bring up the faders at Amen.

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That's a good idea mamerica, hopefully if you have church technicians running a studio live, they'd remember to bring up the subs I've been running graphics and seen that happen on an old analogue console.

Lostinsound - I'm not as familiar with the LS9s or the M7s but I WANT to be, I know they have a lot more bells and whistles than the presonus boards. Maybe a Soundcraft or Midas has the option.

Honestly I still believe the ideal situation is have a monitor console, it's too easy to mess up something when you use your FOH console for advanced monitor requests. The subgroups are a good substitute although again, you have to have an astute engineer and if you're venturing into the realm of stereo imaging, you're down to two sub groups for your left/right. The Scene recall is also worth looking at but one of the things I DON'T like about the Presonus is that you then have to locate your faders to make sure you're where you need to be on every channel. perhaps instead of dropping the faders you just don't have it assigned to anything in one scene and then have it correct in the next, keeping your faders where they need to be.
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Both great ideas! Yes, you would have to use up 2 busses for the bus idea, but your sound engineer may not even be using them. That may be the easiest fix, but only if everyone is using in ears (no live wedge monitors!).

I assume you are using a POD (or equivalent) since you are flirting with them option of only playing in your own ears during downtime. Here's one more thought: if there is an extra channel on the board, you could split your POD's output to two channels, one routed only to mains, and one routed only to monitors. This accomplishes the same thing as having a separate monitor console, but just for your channel.

There are some other things to think about too though, with this scenario or with a monitor cosnsole.

Is your guitar routed to any wedge monitors? If so, you definitely don't want to be playing at the wrong time! You'd have to get your sound engineer to use your "mains" channel to send to the wedge monitors, and use your "monitor" channel to send to the in-ears.

Will your playing in between songs be cool with the other musicians using in-ears? If it's distracting to them, you may have to take it one step further, and get your sound guy/gal to use the "monitor" guitar channel just for YOUR in-ears, and use the "main" guitar channel for the mains and for everyone else's monitors. Then you'd have to remind them not to mute your dedicated monitor channel between songs!

Yeah, it's kind of a complex scenario, but it achieves the goal, right? It probably boils down to how valuable extra channels are to the engineer, how many things they are juggling, and how much they like you!

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