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Chris Fletchall
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set each channel on a sl 16 to pre or post fader to an aux.
For instance on the analog console that I just took out there was an pre/post button for each channel on the console for the aux mixes.
on the studio live I only have a pre post for the sum of all things coming in on the the aux. not per channel.

And the second part of my questions is - can I send my aux mixes to a fader of any sort.

I have just installed two sl16 linked in a church and this is how they where used to running there system and it is freaking them out that they cannot run there aux mixes off of a fader.

Thanks for the help.
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Miltondavis
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Hello Chris,

The answer to both of your questions is no. You can not select pre/post for individual channels. The aux outputs are controlled by the knobs near the top of the console within each aux section. I suppose you could do some odd routing using physical patch cables to take an aux output to a channel input which is then routed to a submaster, but that seems to be a real waste of resources.

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mepstein
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I have to jump in here because I asked almost the same question about the pre/post on the aux mixes. As a 1604VLZ user for ages, I got quite used to each of my aux buses being a combination of pre- and post-fader.

From a board real-estate POV, I can also see why the StudioLive does not have this button for as often as it would probably get changed.

Since this is more of a set-it-and-forget-it function, a per-channel pre/post could be relegated to either a system setup page, or even a UC-only option.

And of course where the question falls in the digital signal path, making it actually work is probably child's play. For a DSP developer, anyway.

Which leaves the questions, whether this function would be widely desired by the user community, and would that desire translate into enough of a financial motive for PreSonus' investment in the development.
WGandy
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Absolutely I want this.
I have been considering replacing our small 16 channel mixers with digital mixers (gotta get rid of the analog EQs that do whatever they want whenever they want) and the Studio Live has obviously been in the running. The cost/feature ratio is very high. I recently got a chance to use a 24channel StudioLive on a multiday corporate gig and the first thing that troubled me was the pre/post assignment arrangement. The ability to change this on each channel individually is one of my most loved features on the Mixwiz over the Onyx. Although it seems like a small thing, the fact that it is missing on the SL is almost a deal breaker. As another poster alluded, it has to be a mostly trivial feature from a code standpoint. The only reasons I can think that it's missing are: A) there was an effort to keep the mixer as simple as possible or B) Presonus is more recording centric than live event centric and just didn't think it was a needed or desired feature.
In case someone wants examples of where this is useful... I most often use this when I have channels (like singers mics) that need fixed monitor settings but where I also need to play some kind of prerecorded material through the system at some point in the event (while feeding said monitors). If the auxes are all set to pre then the track can't be faded out without using the gain controls or some kind of fader inserted between the playback machine and the mixer (which is one way I've accomplished this in the past).
I have a couple other nitpicks but overall the mixer is very feature rich for the price and works quite well. After said show I felt that the biggest issue for me was getting used to the feel of the EQs (both parametric and graphic) as they don't respond in ways that feel familiar.
vordejp
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As for your example, check out the new UC 1.52. You can send the tape-in signal (with level control) to your Auxes. Or if you prefer another source, set it up in either AuxA or AuxB. These too can now, with the new firmware, be sent to any of Aux1 thru 6.

A pre/post fader for Aux feature is a bit more complicated on the SL. Does post mean only post fader, or does it also mean post FAT. I would think post fader only since the aux already has FAT. Overlaying the channel's FAT on top of the Aux's FAT would get pretty squirlly if you ask me.

Quite frankly, I don't see a big need for this feature. I've found that the SL can be set up to do just about anything...especially with UC 1.52! Can anyone give another example of how they would use pre/post fader send to Auxes on each channel? I would bet the SL could handle it.
WGandy
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Thanks for the tips on the tape and aux inputs. That might very well get me by. The biggest drag would be the inability to control levels remotely for those inputs. Of course, if itunes was the primary source for one of these inputs then it's level could be controlled from the itunes remote app.
 
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