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bdhender
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Way to much obsession going on here with controllers. Yes, sure it's frustrating to not have every feature of you existing controller do what you want, but hey, most of it works. Other than automation, there's not much you need a daw controller for. Just about everything else can be covered by single key-stroke commands. The only difference between using a key command and hitting a button on a controlller is psychological,

Many small to mid level pro studios will tell you (if your not a potential client), that the fancy controller with all bells and whistles, biggest job is to impress the potential client. Again psychological!
They buy 'em,try 'em, and then end up doing most of it in the box.

Pro studio engineers I know aren't really into controllers. They say their workflow is much quicker using key commands, because they've taken the time to learn them. And these guys a lightning fast.

My point is, learn to use you platform efficiently and effectively, and focus more on making music and less on why presonus is not doing what you want.

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bdhender wrote:Way to much obsession going on here with controllers. Yes, sure it's frustrating to not have every feature of you existing controller do what you want, but hey, most of it works. Other than automation, there's not much you need a daw controller for. Just about everything else can be covered by single key-stroke commands. The only difference between using a key command and hitting a button on a controlller is psychological,

Many small to mid level pro studios will tell you (if your not a potential client), that the fancy controller with all bells and whistles, biggest job is to impress the potential client. Again psychological!
They buy 'em,try 'em, and then end up doing most of it in the box.

Pro studio engineers I know aren't really into controllers. They say their workflow is much quicker using key commands, because they've taken the time to learn them. And these guys a lightning fast.

My point is, learn to use you platform efficiently and effectively, and focus more on making music and less on why presonus is doing what you want.


Very well said and a lot of points I never thought of. Thanx man!!

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Edited last line. "why presonus is not doing what you want".

Thanks Johnny for all you input and help on so many topics on this forum as well.

Yep, all you need is your computer keyboard and a fader port and you're in business. Or something with 8 faders if you don't want to automate one track at a time.

Also, if you find a cheap 8 fader controller with mackie emulation, don't worry about it not doing everything. If you get 8 flying faders cheap, WIN!!!! The rest you can deal with key commands.

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bdhender wrote:Edited last line. "why presonus is not doing what you want".

Thanks Johnny for all you input and help on so many topics on this forum as well.

Yep, all you need is your computer keyboard and a fader port and you're in business. Or something with 8 faders if you don't want to automate one track at a time.

Also, if you find a cheap 8 fader controller with mackie emulation, don't worry about it not doing everything. If you get 8 flying faders cheap, WIN!!!! The rest you can deal with key commands.


I agree. I posted this in another thread but I setup my Mackie Baby HUI now above my Faderport, using a laptop stand. Controller wise I'm ok but I chime in on these because not everyone else is.


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Yep, I've seen this (love your setup by the way. Nice aesthetic).
I totally agree with everyone to the point that presonus should at least have all the generic controller info happening, and make available the data or addresses to allow those who can, to configure their own templates, and then share them. What's the point in with-holding what everyone else makes available.

What has completely lost me, is why not a complete mackie control emulation!!! It defies logic.
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bdhender wrote:Yep, I've seen this (love your setup by the way. Nice aesthetic).
I totally agree with everyone to the point that presonus should at least have all the generic controller info happening, and make available the data or addresses to allow those who can, to configure their own templates, and then share them. What's the point in with-holding what everyone else makes available.

What has completely lost me, is why not a complete mackie control emulation!!! It defies logic.


Jason has mentioned some work being done on providing more program-ability and that he would personally be working on it. The Mackie thing also surprises me but I think they know how much it means to many folks.

You'd think they'd do something quick to shut my sorry ass up.....lol

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themuzic wrote:

You'd think they'd do something quick to shut my sorry ass up.....lol


Haha, that's funny. I don't think you've got too much too worry about yet, you've still got 4 karma points. When you get down to 2 you mighty have a problem.
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I have to agree some what with bdhender as keyboard commands do cover a large part of what a controller does but I find where mine shines is combining the two,I get plenty of mileage of using the two together. Now if I could only get the aux buttons on my tascam to control the send fx levels I'd be 100% set.
Hopefully a future update of control link will allow transport controls and sends levels to be mapped.

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@ bdhender

You are so right. I agree with you but how can I creat a dub-mix on the fly (24 channels muting / soloing / open sends different per channel / eq-driving and so on) without layer jumping on a controller, with a mouse or key-commands with 1 or maybe 8 faders? Please teach me. For me, people works different. No question to me what other pro-producer are doing. I have to find my own way and this can be different. But please if you have some suggestions to me let me hear you.

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themuzic wrote:
bdhender wrote:Edited last line. "why presonus is not doing what you want".

Thanks Johnny for all you input and help on so many topics on this forum as well.

Yep, all you need is your computer keyboard and a fader port and you're in business. Or something with 8 faders if you don't want to automate one track at a time.

Also, if you find a cheap 8 fader controller with mackie emulation, don't worry about it not doing everything. If you get 8 flying faders cheap, WIN!!!! The rest you can deal with key commands.


I agree. I posted this in another thread but I setup my Mackie Baby HUI now above my Faderport, using a laptop stand. Controller wise I'm ok but I chime in on these because not everyone else is.



Too Funny, I have the same Laptop stand. I have my iPad on top with Kore AC7 running and my Faderport under that as well.... great minds...er.. musicians think alike. Johnny how do you like the Blue Sky's?

per the above post... any key command combo ideas that are particular effective for everyone?

~C

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bigcohoona wrote: Johnny how do you like the Blue Sky's?

per the above post... any key command combo ideas that are particular effective for everyone?

~C


All I can say is that the Blue Skys are perfect for how I mix. I've tested everything from the Genlecs to the Behringer Truths in here (thanx to a friend at the local music store) and the Blue Sky system we truly the best as far as overall reproduction when taking a mix out of here to another listening environment.

That's what sold me.

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themuzic wrote:

...and the Blue Sky system we truly the best as far as overall reproduction when taking a mix out of here to another listening environment.

That's what sold me.


This seems to be the going word on the Blue Sky's... even Skywalker Sound said the same thing.. Do you use any studio correction software (IK, KRK, etc.?)

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Hmmm... no matter what host or controller - and i´m doing sequencing even way before the very beginning of computer recording software - i have _never_, since itb working, felt the need for any controller, actually the opposite is true for me. To me working with a controller _always_ was a way too inaccurate way of working and i was actually very happy to finally be able to work with a mouse/trackball on a screen, once this got appropiate. Up to now i never met _any_ external controller, that would make me want to use it, i´m way faster with the mouse/trackball... So, honestly - what is it that makes you want to work with a controller? No offense meant in any way, i just really really really would love to understand that.
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I think it comes out of necessity as I used the mouse solely for a long time under I got to the point of frustration of having to scroll everywhere just to access menus our so anything. Keyboard shortcuts took some time to get used to but you realise that there are a few uninstall commands in all software, cut, copy, paste, undo, select all, save, quit etc. the draw back is that you've got to use both hands to do these commands. With some control surfaces they have these commands mapped to one button. Even quicker.
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bigcohoona wrote:
themuzic wrote:

...and the Blue Sky system we truly the best as far as overall reproduction when taking a mix out of here to another listening environment.

That's what sold me.


This seems to be the going word on the Blue Sky's... even Skywalker Sound said the same thing.. Do you use any studio correction software (IK, KRK, etc.?)



Nope, NOTHING!! I go straight out of my Firestudio Tube to the Blue Sky system. This is the system I have, only I have the older version without the nice little volume box...

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/eXo2/


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